[US] Bar suppression fire

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[nugnugx]

You're not trolling good enough.

No,  i just want to know what do you take your balance on if  not on in-game performance of units.

[WildZontar]

So you have a problem with SF doing its job?

[PonySlaystation]

Nug, You're not trolling good enough...

Oh noes mgs and bars kill my blobs, nerf plz! It's too hard to move my units with more than one mouse click!

And when that doesn't work you start with the personal attacks and other bullshit and none of is it even close to a rational thought just complete rabble and retarded bullshit. Your comments are extremely one sided and just hilariously bad.

Instead of playing another faction or actually try to counter units you just spam balance threads about every possible units that YOU never use and apparently know nothing about. Core vCoH units that have been the same for over 4 years and are far from broken. And the only people who agree with you are one-sided fanboys. Go read EIR for dummies or something.

SF will never change, why not change mgs so they can only fire at one unit too? oh wait that wouldn't work, it's one of the few counters to blobs. Did you ever try NOT blobbing? oh wait, I guess you don't know how to do that, huh...

And that video with G43, it just shows that you can't use cover. It also shows that G43 kill units much faster. If you look in the beginning of the video you'll see that the regular pzgren open fire much earlier than the G43s but the G43s still kill the riflemen faster. The G43s also stand further away and take less damage. So what does this video prove anyways? That a firefight is over more quickly if you stand closer??

[pqumsieh]

Just to add to my previous position; if we do change the BAR to a single target ability it would need an increase to its suppression rate as well as a decrease in its price by 5-10 munitions.

PQ

[AmPM]

I think that any change to BAR SF would need to come with a change of mechanics for a variety of abilities. Things like sprint would go up in value with this change as well as requiring more allied hmgs to be used possibly with an increase in suppression ability. Blobs should not be rewarded in gameplay. If you spread out and use covers those BARs become much weaker.

[nugnugx]

I think that any change to BAR SF would need to come with a change of mechanics for a variety of abilities. Things like sprint would go up in value with this change as well as requiring more allied hmgs to be used possibly with an increase in suppression ability. Blobs should not be rewarded in gameplay. If you spread out and use covers those BARs become much weaker.

Tell me a single reason why.

PEs g43 'slow' works on 1 unit only, does not suppress, only slows down and axis units does not get buff to other weapons damage or suppression and its the allies that blob , not axis.

Sprint that does not brake suppression ? -- Fireup ?

Current usability goes like this

bar > g43
30 cal > mg42

Blobs should not be rewarded in gameplay

Well it means US and Brits should be deleted because 80% of winnings by good players are won by blobber combo of inf + atg

[AmPM]

Not true.

BAR SF is the cornerstone of US Suppression, the .30 cal is shorter ranged and suppresses slower due to requiring the second burst to fire before it suppresses. It does however deal out more damage. It's purpose is to maintain suppression after the BARs suppress.

Stop disguising your issues with G43's and Panzergrens behind asking for nerfs for other units.

The issue is not BAR rifles. The issue is Panzergrenadiers HP, price and pop vs their damage output.

They cost similar to Grenadiers, same pop, same HP and armor, but lower damage. Rifles with BARs are based on dealing with Grenadiers, not weaker than normal Grenadiers.

Fix Panzergrens, stop asking for nerfs to things that are just fine.

[nugnugx]

I'm not talking about pzgrens,  i haven't said anything about them once in this thread. Way to put words in my mouth.

I only said about g43.


So your definition of 'fine' is a 1 ability that is able to suppress 4 squads.



I'm done in this thread because levels of inanity have went overboard, mods checked this probably already and the last call on this is their call anyway.

[AmPM]

1 MG42 can regularly suppress 3-4 squads, costing less Pop and Munitions and more Manpower.

It also does that without a Cooldown on an ability.

Stating that the BAR is OP because it can suppress multiple squads would also make all other suppression weapons that are not based on a timer much more OP.

[Demon767]

AmPM, this is about a ability of a unit to suppress more then 1 unit. Its because of Bar supression that you dont see many 30.cals that are meant for supression larges amount of squads and lock don sectors.

Bars can be spammed. thats 20+ squads of supressing large amounts of units.

/thread

[WildZontar]

AmPM, this is about a ability of a unit to suppress more then 1 unit. Its because of Bar supression that you dont see many 30.cals that are meant for supression larges amount of squads and lock don sectors.

Bars can be spammed. thats 20+ squads of supressing large amounts of units.

/thread

But, BAR SF is countered by Tanks.

[nugnugx]

But, BAR SF is countered by Tanks.

lol

[Demon767]

But, BAR SF is countered by Tanks.

Please sir, can i have some more?

[WildZontar]

Please sir, can i have some more?

Mortars can counter BAR SF  So can Grenadiers in cover, amazing isn't it? xD

[nugnugx]

1 MG42 can regularly suppress 3-4 squads, costing less Pop and Munitions and more Manpower.

It also does that without a Cooldown on an ability.

Stating that the BAR is OP because it can suppress multiple squads would also make all other suppression weapons that are not based on a timer much more OP.

1 mg is

1) less man in squad
2) cannot recrew other weapons
3) has to setup
4) Mgs suppress because it's their role and it's a whole different unit

Bar is an upgrade

[nugnugx]

Here is what one Bar  ( one !!) is capable of ,  no mg can do that.

2 squads suppressed 1 pinned and move away safely,  mg would be dead.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5urTAAKX-0E


Now have 2-3 bars , you suppress 6 more squads , or pin half of them and finish them off (pinned don't fire).

[Groundfire]

Do the same video with a PE support gren. I betcha you can do it.

[AmPM]

BARs suppress because that is the role of the Upgrade.

That's like saying a Schrek isnt AT because the squad it's based on isn't AT, but a PAK is.

Upgrades change the purpose of a squad or make it better at what it already does.

BARs have to use the SF ability to suppress, it is on a cooldown and cannot be used constantly.

BARs cost more.

BARs have less range.

BARs cannot be recrewed.

In response to 3 BAR's you can field 2 Squads of Infantry and an HMG. Get in cover, suppress with HMG, move up.

I watched your video, all it shows is a squad with upgrades using SF on squads charging it without cover. Show me a game, with equally skilled players, where you pull that off and win the game.

[nugnugx]

BARs suppress because that is the role of the Upgrade.

I'm not saying this is not it's role.  But suppressing more than 1 unit is not ok.  If you want to suppress more than 1 troop , that's what MG is for.

and the SF is a bonus for bar.  Schreck does not have  1 click button that gives it 100% accuracy for 20 secs.

[PonySlaystation]

About the video, you didn't use cover. If you had been in yellow/green cover you'd have won, if you had one lmg or a grenade you'd won. Plus the riflemen is standing still while the grenadiers are moving so it's no wonder. And units take less damage when they are in a suppressed/pinned state. It's not like that riflemen actually killed anything.