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[Mgallun74]

Okay, iam a bit confused on what this buff will do to shermans, say i wanted to run a big company of shermans...

so, i have a 76mm Sherman... against a panther it normally has a 36% chance to penetrate.

with the HVAP buff, it adds 33% to that...

so is that 36% x 33% which = 47%
or is it 36% + 33% = 69%

also, i says 10% damage buff, but with 76mm a extra 10% as well, so is that 20%?  making the damage per shot from a 76mm sherman with this t4 producing 105 damage?

[Demon767]

47

[Hicks58]

Was my word not good enough for ya?

The buff makes the Sherman penetrate from reliably to reasonably against all targets but the Panther and Jagdpanther.

Damage differences will mean that you'll need multiple Shermans against a Tiger, but Panthers are still going to hurt you a lot.

Personally I prefer HVAP Pershings due to their ability to take on Panthers and Tigers reliably.

If EiRR uses the vCoH HVAP Pershing as it says, and this source is correct, then your looking at 1.09 penetration against a Tiger. I'm slightly skeptical of this statistic as after applying long range penetration debuff of 0.9, your still more or less at 0.95 penetration rates. I've seen Tigers bounce a little bit more than that statistic personally, but I could simply be unlucky.

http://picly.us/coh/Weapon_90mm_Pershing_HVAP.html

Those who can look in the RGD's are free to correct me of course.

[EliteGren]

also, i says 10% damage buff, but with 76mm a extra 10% as well so is that 20%?  making the damage per shot from a 76mm sherman with this t4 producing 105 damage?

Uhh why would you get +10% damage with the 76? It only increases penetration. Always has. Since 2006.

[Mgallun74]

Uhh why would you get +10% damage with the 76? It only increases penetration. Always has. Since 2006.

look at the T4 description... for armor hvap.



All HVAP: +33% Penetration, .25 Deflection,
+50% Yellow Rear Engine Crits, 100% Red Kill Crits
+10% Damage vs All Tanks76mm HVAP: Additional +10% Damage vs normal HVAPPershing HVAP: HVAP with vCoh HVAP Buff instead of +33% Penetration,
Additional +15% Damage vs Tiger, KT, Jagdpanther

that makes it sound like a 20% bonus for shermans? m10s? etc?

[Hicks58]

He's on about the 10% damage buff that you said upgunning to the 76mm gives you.

It doesn't exist.

+33% Penetration, .25 Deflection,
+50% Yellow Rear Engine Crits, 100% Red Kill Crits
+10% Damage vs All Tanks76mm HVAP: Additional +10% Damage vs normal HVAPPershing HVAP: HVAP with vCoh HVAP Buff instead of +33% Penetration,
Additional +15% Damage vs Tiger, KT, Jagdpanther

Where did you get that from? Check the ingame description, it looks a little more like this:

+33% Penetration,
+50% Yellow Rear Engine Crits,
+10% Damage vs All Tanks
Pershing gains vCoH HVAP with additional +15% Damage vs Tiger, KT, Jagdpanther

Those are the buffs that would apply to a Sherman or a Pershing.

[Mgallun74]

He's on about the 10% damage buff that you said upgunning to the 76mm gives you.

It doesn't exist.

Where did you get that from? Check the ingame description, it looks a little more like this:

+33% Penetration,
+50% Yellow Rear Engine Crits,
+10% Damage vs All Tanks
Pershing gains vCoH HVAP with additional +15% Damage vs Tiger, KT, Jagdpanther

Those are the buffs that would apply to a Sherman or a Pershing.

getting that info from the online doctrine xls file from this forum.

[Hicks58]

Basically, what's in the game, is what is shown on the ingame descriptions. If anything has changed, then it's mentioned in the patch notes. That xls file you found likely isn't accurate.

Infact, the doctrine descriptions need to be updated with what the patches have changed for some of them, but that's another discussion - the bottom line is that the file you've found isn't up to date.

[BigDick]

that is actually right the upgunned sherman get more damage against tanks (not just 10% its 20% more damage with hvap means 105 damage as mgallun said)

my information source are as usual the rgds

[puddin]

so a pershing does 25% mroe dmg vs KT, Jagd, and Tigers tho? 

Its 10% across the board and the "Additional" 15% for those 3 correct?