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Question: Panther 3 for PE medium AT tank ?
Yes - 14 (45.2%)
No (PE does not need a medium tank) - 10 (32.3%)
Something else as a PE medium tank (type what) - 7 (22.6%)
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nugnugx Offline
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« on: April 06, 2011, 12:45:23 am »

I've made a poll and a new thread seeing as the other one got some attention and we came to some conclusions.

Do we want this model, and stat-wise this kind of AT PE tank ?



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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2011, 12:50:43 am »

A StuG with a turret and more Damage with a cost of 210 fuel? Idk. I'd rather buy a marder and 50mm.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2011, 12:51:28 am »

A StuG with a turret and more Damage with a cost of 210 fuel? Idk. I'd rather buy a marder and 50mm.

Not a stug,  if you want a comparison with current units think  slower m10 with panther armor.

(and to those who say  panther armor on medium tank lol !!!    ----- > jumbo  ,  allies got the version vs infantry, axis will have version vs tanks which they need actualy)
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2011, 12:53:19 am »

Not a stug,  if you want a comparison with current units think  slower m10 with panther armor.

Hmm...Hmm...Hmm

Come to think of it though, I know what I'd spam. Cheap panthers for everyone
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2011, 12:54:00 am »

Hmm...Hmm...Hmm

Come to think of it though, I know what I'd spam. Cheap panthers for everyone

yea you can spam anything so
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2011, 12:59:11 am »

It looks sexy
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2011, 12:59:30 am »

Why buy a panther when you get 2 Mini-panthers for 30 fuel cheaper and they'd do the job better than a actual panther would and be 4 pop less which means having two of them in field is only 20 pop unlike having 2 panthers which would be 28 pop. 20 Pop Full Anti armor cabilities. Though fragile to 17Pdrs and 57mms it doesn't matter. Plus quick repairs and a fast speed. This'd be 2x Better than a M10 and only cost 50 manpower and 30 fuel more. It is a damn bargain if you ask me.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2011, 01:00:01 am »

lol you can't be serious. this would rape a jumbo how are you calling it similar?

the jumbo does 87.5 dmg per shot, this does 110, it's also faster, has a faster turret rotation, faster reload and its only 210 fu vs 380 lmao

this isn't a medium tank, it's a heavy tank destroyer.

it's essentially an m-10 with panther armor and -5 range.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2011, 01:01:11 am »

i was talking about armor


anf yes it would rape jumbo, it's designed to combat tanks not inf


heavy tank destroyer? with 400 HP?  i guess m10 is also heavy tank destroyer


Tym ofcourse is against because it's not an allied tank.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2011, 01:03:28 am »

If you really want a Medium tank for PE just give PE a improved P4 with higher Penetration values and less splash. Call it PIV Ausf H or J if H give it Skirts that are tied to its cost and StuG armor value Grin if just J it'd be a skirtless less splash higher penetration P4
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2011, 01:04:32 am »

Heavy Tank Destroyer = Panther armor

this isn't a medium tank, like i said, it's a heavy tank destroyer. it's even freakin faster than a normal panther. lol if i had a pe coy i wouldn't buy any other AT BUT this and just spam g43's and assaults and other good ai stuff cuz this is all the AT i'd need, especially at 210 fuel
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2011, 01:05:07 am »

Why buy a panther when you get 2 Mini-panthers for 30 fuel cheaper and they'd do the job better than a actual panther would and be 4 pop less which means having two of them in field is only 20 pop unlike having 2 panthers which would be 28 pop. 20 Pop Full Anti armor cabilities. Though fragile to 17Pdrs and 57mms it doesn't matter. Plus quick repairs and a fast speed. This'd be 2x Better than a M10 and only cost 50 manpower and 30 fuel more. It is a damn bargain if you ask me.

lower range, less sight, lower damage, lower health, no mg for AI, no skirts.

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especially at 210 fuel

So? m10 is cheaper
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2011, 01:09:23 am »

lower range, less sight, lower damage, lower health, no mg for AI, no skirts.

In short. 27.5 less damage. 342 less health. No -10% less recieved damage, penetration -25% less handheld at dmg/pen. No munition cost other than Repair kit and no ability to use for long range sniping. And?
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2011, 01:09:29 am »

if you really want a medium at tank for pe i'd suggest this. just like the jumbo and pak40 used to be reward units that turned into unlocks lobby for this to be a pe unlock.

 think it'd fit the general theme of what the jumbo does and would fit luft or td pretty well (luft to copy jumbo, td cuz well just cuz)

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=17044.0
[PE]
Jagdpanzer IV
Health - 600
Pop - 10
Speed - 5
Accel - 1.7
Decel - 2
Rotation - 30
Crush - Medium
Sight - 35
Detection - 0/0
Armor Type - Stug
Crit Type - Armor
Damage - 112.5
Range - 45
Accuracy LMS - .85/1/1
Reload - 6
Penetration LMS - .81/.93/1.05

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=11997.0
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2011, 01:11:50 am »

No because it's turretless, PE has enough turretless units, they need a normal tank like all other factions.
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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2011, 01:12:11 am »

if you really want a medium at tank for pe i'd suggest this. just like the jumbo used to be a reward that turned into unlock, lobby for this to be a pe unlock i think it'd fit the general theme of what the jumbo does and would fit luft or td pretty well (luft to copy jumbo, td cuz well just cuz)

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=17044.0
[PE]
Jagdpanzer IV
Health - 600
Pop - 10
Speed - 5
Accel - 1.7
Decel - 2
Rotation - 30
Crush - Medium
Sight - 35
Detection - 0/0
Armor Type - Stug
Crit Type - Armor
Damage - 112.5
Range - 45
Accuracy LMS - .85/1/1
Reload - 6
Penetration LMS - .81/.93/1.05

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=11997.0

Tym, that is not a tank...it is a Tank Destroyer.
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panzerman Offline
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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2011, 01:12:59 am »

PE have enough of those
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2011, 01:15:17 am »

Tym, that is not a tank...it is a Tank Destroyer.

and? whats the difference than what he's proposing? it's a freakin tank destroyer, not a tank. :| it has the same freakin aoe as an m-10, matter of fact, if you really look at it, it's an almost exact copy of the m-10 gun with a few changes in damage and range. He wants an axis version of an m-10, even the speed, accel and decel are the same
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2011, 01:16:03 am »

and? whats the difference than what he's proposing? it's a freakin tank destroyer, not a tank. :|

read thread   'panther 3 as medium AT tank'
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2011, 01:17:30 am »

In short. 27.5 less damage. 342 less health. No -10% less recieved damage, penetration -25% less handheld at dmg/pen. No munition cost other than Repair kit and no ability to use for long range sniping. And?

His suggesting a panther that has 27.5 less damage. 342 less health. No -10% less recieved damage, penetration -25% less handheld at dmg/pen. No munition cost other than Repair kit and no ability to use for long range sniping.

And that costs 350 manpower 210 fuel and is 10 pop.
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