Demon767
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« on: April 09, 2011, 12:30:42 am » |
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Is it going to get nerfed in some way? Its pretty damn good with extra range ( i think it has ) and better arc of fire + 4 man crew. I enjoyed playing with it so much!
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 12:34:41 am » |
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i say leave it, things are epic, are they meant to be similar to pak 40? though pak 40 doesnt get as big range does it?
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Demon767
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 12:40:15 am » |
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I have no idea but i prophesize a nerf.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 12:41:45 am » |
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i want to see more of these eatin leaderboard tigers...i currently hate the fact there are so many tigers that are vet 3 :S
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 01:03:02 am » |
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i say leave it, things are epic, are they meant to be similar to pak 40? though pak 40 doesnt get as big range does it?
Uhm, pak 40 get sniped from longer range 17 pounder and yes it has more health in comparision to pak 40 |
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Demon767
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2011, 01:03:35 am » |
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I just want to play more with this piece of equipment but i'm to busy. Its gonna be mediocre when i have another chance to use them  Uhm, pak 40 get sniped from longer range 17 pounder and yes it has more health in comparision to pak 40
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2011, 01:12:41 am » |
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65 range vs 60 range.
High accuracy vs other ATGs
No accuracy vs Infantry
High penetration values
Slower than a turtle
There's ONLY 1 unit that can Decrew it with 1 shot and that is a Hummel, offmaps might have hard time but that is dependable. PAK40 can be one shotted by: 105, 25Pdr, any offmap, calliope etc making it very unreliable and...quite frankly useless piece of equipment without a t4 cloak.
Plus allied light vehicles have a easier time fighting it head on than axis ones vs the 17Pdr. To put it Simply 17Pdr >>>>>> PAK40 in every cases. Figures out that PAK40 is Support T3 and 17Pdr no tier at all.
I propose a nerf that is this: Remove it from all other docs and leave it to RSE. Make it T2 or T3.
Also lower its accuracy vs ATGs. 17Pdr is the heavy tank killer that makes all axis vehicles cry. Axis! L2P without Vehicles and you'll notice that life- will be magically easier.
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2011, 01:17:06 am » |
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Uhm, pak 40 get sniped from longer range 17 pounder and yes it has more health in comparision to pak 40
w00t? both have 450hp and 60 range |
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Demon767
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2011, 01:17:55 am » |
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Some very nice figures in favour for the 17pdr. I don't see anything wrong with them.
Apart from high accuracy vs other ATGs. The Pak40 and 17pdr should have high incoming accuracy from smaller ATGs though in my opinion, realistically speaking.
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2011, 01:20:21 am » |
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the 17 is so slow, i hate it. i'll take firefly's and 6pdrs anyway. It does need some tweaking because it's directly taken from the emplacement but it's a nice weapon vs axis heavies. Without apcr rounds its basically a high penetration 57mm that has slower tracking. Some very nice figures in favour for the 17pdr. I don't see anything wrong with them.
Apart from high accuracy vs other ATGs. The Pak40 and 17pdr should have high incoming accuracy from smaller ATGs though in my opinion, realistically speaking.
would make sense. i say all atg vs atg should be 25% and smaller atg vs big atg 35 its small enough to not be a big deal but big enough to make a difference in game. |
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2011, 01:21:04 am » |
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afaik these are a WIP.
but these things are like 200mu with their AP rounds. thats the cost of a 57 and a rifle squad with stickies pretty much.
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Demon767
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2011, 01:27:17 am » |
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Aslong as people are happy with the cost i dont want them changed  |
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2011, 01:28:36 am » |
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6 pounder are most times better because their cloak is broken
otherwise these mobile 17 pounders are the death to all heavy armor axis can field
i think they will be moved to royal engies only soon
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Demon767
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2011, 01:30:19 am » |
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BD, that makes sense, im thinking of a whole strat revolving around 17pdrs thats benefits from Commando and Artillery doctrine. I cant think of much for Royal engineers.
I guess i would have to switch to Royal engineers if that happens.
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2011, 01:31:16 am » |
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BD, that makes sense, im thinking of a whole strat revolving around 17pdrs thats benefits from Commando and Artillery doctrine. I cant think of much for Royal engineers.
I guess i would have to switch to Royal engineers if that happens.
17Pdr backed up with a Churchill Croc. Jizz. |
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Demon767
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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2011, 01:37:29 am » |
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I only thought of that then, but i was more focused on 17pdr with Priest and/or 25pdr support. Sit them in the middle of the map, have a bren and cromwell and slowly but surely push up the field.
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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2011, 03:40:44 am » |
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There slow as i owuld only accept some sort of nerf if its turing speed was fixed it has nice damage and high range but when a mortar starts firing or it gets flanked especially by an ist it is so slow at turning it makes 200 muni seem worthless
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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2011, 03:44:44 am » |
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It's a bit overpowered, but CW needs a more powerful AT gun too. So a small nerf would be in order. Plus it's a new unit so players haven't really gotten used to it and learned how to counter it, the best counter is probably with artillery.
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2011, 03:46:19 am » |
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And mortars its slow speed makes it hard to get out with 1-2 casulties
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Demon767
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2011, 03:49:56 am » |
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How would you propose to nerf it Pony?
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