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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2011, 10:40:41 am » |
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marder also cant move?
he is also map dependent?
cant be repaired?
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2011, 10:41:23 am » |
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Yeah, but a marder doesnt outrange ATG guns and snipe them before they can even get anywhere near its range.
so ? that's how 88 works. What that has to do with artillery range ? |
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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2011, 10:44:09 am » |
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The arty is a blob counter if they rush you with inf blobs and is useful to take out atguns behind cover or to destroy cover, it should not be any better for it would become a major multi purpose unit and create the word "OP!!" more than once
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2011, 10:45:26 am » |
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The arty is a blob counter if they rush you with inf blobs and is useful to take out atguns behind cover or to destroy cover, it should not be any better for it would become a major multi purpose unit and create the word "OP!!" more than once
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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2011, 10:46:00 am » |
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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2011, 10:55:54 am » |
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Exactly, this ability doesn't need to be better, its already good enough by allowing your 88 to have 1 more purpose.
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2011, 02:26:25 pm » |
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It's already a pretty good ability but Defensive's own howitzer, the stuka is so worthless that this idea even seems plausible. 50% or 75% of vcoh damage is not cool. I know this unit was nerfed because it was considered OP but it was too much!
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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2011, 03:28:40 pm » |
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It's already a pretty good ability but Defensive's own howitzer, the stuka is so worthless that this idea even seems plausible. 50% or 75% of vcoh damage is not cool. I know this unit was nerfed because it was considered OP but it was too much!
Why don't people ever listen? The only difference between the vCoH stuka and our Stuka is that ours has twice the penetration versus infantry. Otherwise they're IDENTICAL -.- Also, why is nugnug allowed to make balance posts disguised as suggestions, still? |
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« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2011, 03:32:34 pm » |
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I like how this slowly turned into a balance thread.
Who started it? Ohh....
lmao i like this It began as a balance thread in the OP however he is spinning the truth and making a mockery out of moderators. |
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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2011, 07:38:51 pm » |
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I use the arty 88, and they are fine, a little bit more range when it goes into arty mode would be pretty cool, but honestly, it's a bad ass ability! It doesn't need anymore help (although I feel defensive in general could use a little bit more love) it's a great ability. Maybe have it fire 4 rounds since it's quite inaccurate?
Either way I love this ability, I set up my 88, if any pesky unit tries to hide behind of a shot blocker, hit them with arty =)
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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2011, 07:51:40 pm » |
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Why don't people ever listen?
The only difference between the vCoH stuka and our Stuka is that ours has twice the penetration versus infantry. Otherwise they're IDENTICAL -.-
Also, why is nugnug allowed to make balance posts disguised as suggestions, still?
Well they damage infantry and tanks about 1/3 as much as the vcoh one  If it's the same then the infantry and tanks must have some really hard buffs compared to vcoh. |
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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2011, 08:08:52 pm » |
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Why don't people ever listen?
The only difference between the vCoH stuka and our Stuka is that ours has twice the penetration versus infantry. Otherwise they're IDENTICAL -.-
That's not what EliteGren said. He said 50% of the damage it does in vcoh. If the EIR stuka had twice the penetration versus infantry it would be better than in vcoh, which it clearly is not. 3 barrages fully hitting infantry later and I've still only got 2 kills, oh yeah it performs very well in constrast to vcoh. Or not, it was nerfed like a billion times in EIR. |
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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2011, 09:01:27 pm » |
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  If that is true why are they the same. Same damage tables vs infantry, same AOE damage. Oh and Myst I believe the penetration of stuka's vs inf was upgraded last VCoH patch. So basically they are purely identical. |
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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2011, 09:43:58 pm » |
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How about implementing a minimum fire range for the flak 88 arty?
It can fire so close, it could probably receive its own splash damage!
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« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2011, 05:43:04 am » |
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lmfao nugnug has actually managed to get these topics placed into the balance forum despite being banned from it...
Epic.
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« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2011, 05:48:52 am » |
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I moved them, because they're balance threads. But he won't actually be able to post in here anymore, and if he continues making 'hidden' balance threads like this we will take further action.
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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2011, 05:55:24 am » |
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That's my point, he kind of achieved his aim anyway, but oh well.
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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2011, 06:09:42 am » |
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But he did bring out an important matter, does the WM stuka suck? I will investigate further.
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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2011, 06:16:09 am » |
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Haha nug is so begging to be permabanned |
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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2011, 07:02:09 am » |
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looking at the stuka rocket. it does .25 dmg vs all infantry targets. so out of 120-100 that's 30-25 damage, same for Pe stuka.
the main change that eir did was change the penetration vs infantry because it was getting absolutely no damage sometimes
the stuka is really good vs vehicles though...messed up a sherman real good the other day
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