nugnugx
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2011, 02:48:23 pm » |
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this.
I didn't say it's not fine. There is no reason why a tank like m10 and m18 should have 45 while a tiger has 40 if they in the end will get in close and try to circle you. With tiger you cannot even get that 1st shot earlier to defend yourself. It's an unfair advantage for such a cheap tank to have over a 550 fuel tank that costs 16 pop. Even the panther has 45 range. |
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2011, 02:49:34 pm » |
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The tiger used to have some justification in comparison to the Panther because it was cheaper in terms if MU allowing you to spend more on you infantry. Now that the side skirts have moved to a FU pricing the fully upgraded Panther is not only cheaper but a superior tank in the current meta game – it also saves you a level 3 unlock that can be used for 4xBlits or Dual Repairs or Stuka Bomber + Recon run…
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2011, 02:55:17 pm » |
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Tiger will also die if you get bum rushed by 2 m10. 1 shot missed from tiger and youre dead.
Even 1 m10 can leave you with 1/3 hp if you can circle it.
OH GOD! A 16 POP HEAVY GENERAL TANK LOOSING TO 20 POP WORTH OF PURE ANTI TANK! OH GOD THE HORROR, SO OP SO OP BUFF BUFF BUFF BUFF BUFF |
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two words
atgs and fireflies
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nugnugx
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2011, 02:57:00 pm » |
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OH GOD! A 16 POP HEAVY GENERAL TANK LOOSING TO 20 POP WORTH OF PURE ANTI TANK!
OH GOD THE HORROR, SO OP SO OP
BUFF BUFF BUFF BUFF BUFF
2 m10 cost 600 MP 400 fu 2 m18 600 MP 370 FU 1 tiger 640 MP 550 MU And it's not pure anti tank, people use the speed to drive over inf. + tiger gets penetrated from front like crazy |
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2011, 03:02:08 pm » |
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Tiger AI >>>> 2 M10 AI
so therefore
2 M10 AT >> Lone tiger
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nugnugx
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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2011, 03:02:50 pm » |
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Tiger AI >>>> 2 M10 AI
so therefore
2 M10 AT >> Lone tiger
that's not how it works , bad argument to fit your story. |
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2011, 03:05:05 pm » |
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Not how it works?
Then i guess tiger having 5 less range than a M10 is not how it works, because unit performance is clearly irrelevant.
Case closed.
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2011, 03:05:20 pm » |
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Tiger + PAK >> 3x M10
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nugnugx
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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2011, 03:07:26 pm » |
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Not how it works?
Then i guess tiger having 5 less range than a M10 is not how it works, because unit performance is clearly irrelevant.
Case closed.
These are facts. Fact is also that you can drive over inf with m10 efficiently and kill support weapons. |
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nugnugx
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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2011, 03:08:00 pm » |
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Tiger + PAK >> 3x M10
yea 6 king tigers > whole allied army. Lets put theorycrafting aside shall we. |
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« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2011, 03:10:42 pm » |
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nugnug stop being shit at the game and l2micro the tiger, i bet i could beat u with 1 tiger vs 3 m10s. its not the unit its the player, if a player wants to dedicate a tank destroyer to destroying tanks then fucking let it be tbh.
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nugnugx
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« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2011, 03:11:41 pm » |
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IMO whole range thing should be unified
atgs , marders, 50mm ht etc ------ 60 range
heavy tanks ---- 45 range
medium tanks and rest --- 40 range
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« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2011, 03:13:34 pm » |
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+ tiger gets penetrated from front like crazy
Not by vanilla M10's or M18's it doesnt. M10's penetration is 46.2% at long range and 55% at close range. M18's penetration is 34.65% at long range and 41.25% at close range. If your being penetrated like crazy, you file under the 'unlucky bastard' category. |
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I mean I know Obama was the first one in EiR to get a card. and tbfh the Race card is pretty OP. but Romney has the K.K.K., those guys seem to camo anywhere. So OP units from both sides.
At the end of the day, however, stormtroopers finally got the anal invasion with a cactus they have richly deserved for years.
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deadbolt
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« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2011, 03:14:42 pm » |
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right so now, the medium tanks which im sure u argued the other week arent used enough, will barely be used at all cos of the range nerf ontop of other short comings.
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nugnugx
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« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2011, 03:15:09 pm » |
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right so now, the medium tanks which im sure u argued the other week arent used enough lolwut |
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« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2011, 03:16:52 pm » |
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besides tanks destroyers arent medium tanks really. the clue is in the name.
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« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2011, 03:17:23 pm » |
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Range doesn't effect tank combat that much. I don't think I've ever seen m10s "kiting" a Tiger. A change like that would only buff Tigers against infantry.
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nugnugx
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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2011, 03:17:50 pm » |
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besides tanks destroyers arent medium tanks really. the clue is in the name.
Thats why they have the speed and penetration. They do NOT need to outrange a heavy tank which cannot esape it. |
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deadbolt
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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2011, 03:18:46 pm » |
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and what if ur not a mong spaz who lolcharges ur tanks and wants to range the tiger?
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nugnugx
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« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2011, 03:19:22 pm » |
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and what if ur not a mong spaz who lolcahrges ur tanks and want to range the tiger?
atg or firefly. m10 and m18 got the crazy speed for the purpose of getting close and circling. |
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