[WM] storm 2xmp44 overprice

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[TheIcelandicManiac]

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[Smokaz]

You need to drop the Medkits, you need to pick up the medkits. Both of those actions are not conducive to Ambush units. (or Units which have an Ambush Mechanic) There's multiple options, and while the Medic crate is cool it just takes too much time from the battle to go and use properly.

Idea. why not just do what you did with tank hunters. introduce a passive heal working under a certain condition (TH inf inside houses)

 have luft inf heal while cloaked/not attacking/in cover

[AmPM]

Too much easy healing that isn't tied to a feature.

Oh no! No cover! Build a sandbag, hide and heal!

Or just give them a Medic similar to AB.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

AB medic is good enough as it is, well sure the SE heal car is better but the medic has RRs to its support.

[AmPM]

AB medic is good enough as it is, well sure the SE heal car is better but the medic has RRs to its support.

WTF is this even about?

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Or just give them a Medic similar to AB.

Well this.
never the less we should make our own thread about this.

[Rahx]

WTF is this even about?

I don't get your point iceland

[TheIcelandicManiac]

oh i read what he wrote wrong, i tought he said give the AB a Medkits instead of the medic.

[Rahx]

oh i read what he wrote wrong, i tought he said give the AB a Medkits instead of the medic.

oh I read what he wrote wrong?  lol

[TheIcelandicManiac]

and what did i Write wrong there?

[DarkSoldierX]

I thought I was in the storm Mp44 thread.

Sorry guys guess I cant read. sorry for disturbing u

[smurfORnot]

havent you already learned that most of stuff here ends derailed? lol

[DarkSoldierX]

Yes, and helping the derail doesn't help the main topic does it?

Plus is AMPM and Nug really wanted it more they would help it stay on topic lol.

You cant get storm mp44 buffed if your talking about airborne healing

[smurfORnot]

mp44 heal storms by killing? lol vamp storms 

[AmPM]

So, let us look at the issues.

MP44 is expensive for what it does, but it is claimed as balanced because it "goes on grens with cloak".

FG42 is better at all ranges, on similarly tough guys (once you factor in modifiers for Soldier Armor) that also have Ambush bonus and recloak during combat to mitigate some damage.

Thompsons are cheaper, similar in performance once you factor in the doctrines for Blitz and Infantry, and come on a 6 man squad with WTF Fireup and access to Triages.

Sten Mandos....well, they suck, and I said they need a price decrease a while ago.

KCH cost LESS per gun, on tougher guys. WTF. Default access to assault, and heroic crits.

BAR Rifles rox everything.

Solution: Decrease costs of SMG upgrades all around, reduce MP44 cost to bring it in line. It's not like it's a massive decrease, 2x MP44 should drop to 70-80, 4x MP44 should run between 120 and 140.

[nugnugx]

getting this back on topic .....  Icelandic make your own thread, will you.

[nugnugx]

also here is a another idea.


keep the current price of 95 , but give them 3 mp44 as the only option.

That way they would cost less than kch to reflect them being a weaker platform, and when Assault grens price will drop also it will reflect them being better than assault grens which will have 4 mp44 for similar price on a weaker platform as the combat effectivness goes like this.
kch > storms > assault grens.

[PonySlaystation]

We all see what happened after kch price decrease, there are more kch on the field and now you want the same with storms?

I haven't seen that at all.


About FJs, in my opinion they can much easier make up for their high cost with devastating doctrine abilities, 10% less received damage in cover, 10% +accuracy in buildings, +33% accuracy in cover, covering fire without penalties etc etc. This makes FG42s quite devastating at even medium and longer ranges. They also have faust to assist against armor threats.

I have tried to use Mp44 stormies effectively countless times, by that I mean thinking that higher HP and cloak will help their survivability, but it never survives. It may be good for one ambush but then one LV, BAR suppress or flamer shows up and you're dead. FJs can counter all those threats. They kill the flamer before it gets there, they kill the BAR with their better suppression or by staying in cover with accuracy bonuses and the faust can deal a lot of damage on a LV.

It's not a good comparison, The FJ price may not be perfect either but that's another issue, The MP44s are not price effective compared to your other alternatives as WM. With all the expensive stuff you have to buy as WM, 150 muni paks etc is a big drain so in the end you will not afford many MP44s, if the price is decreased by 5-15 ammo they will still not be made spammable because of the still high cost and pool values. That's just a too insignificant change for that, but a blitz player should be able to have 2 MP44 stormtrooper squads if he desires to, but he shouldn't have to remove half of his effective AT weapons just to afford a less effective AI option.

In a unrelated issue, I agree about FJ medidkits, change their healing or simply replace it with something else.

[AmPM]

Tym, more is not a bad thing, as long as it's balanced. KCH are not hard to beat.

[nugnugx]

I have tried to use Mp44 stormies effectively countless times, by that I mean thinking that higher HP and cloak will help their survivability, but it never survives. It may be good for one ambush but then one LV, BAR suppress or flamer shows up and you're dead. FJs can counter all those threats. They kill the flamer before it gets there, they kill the BAR with their better suppression or by staying in cover with accuracy bonuses and the faust can deal a lot of damage on a LV.

It's not a good comparison, The FJ price may not be perfect either but that's another issue, The MP44s are not price effective compared to your other alternatives as WM. With all the expensive stuff you have to buy as WM, 150 muni paks is a big drain so in the end you will not afford many MP44s, if the price is decreased by 5-15 ammo they will still not be made spammable because of the still high cost and pool values. That's just a too insignificant change for that, but a blitz player should be able to have 2 MP44 stormtrooper squads if he desires to, but he shouldn't have to remove half of his effective AT weapons just to afford a less effective AI option.

Agree with Pony