Origin and Why i won't be getting BF3, ME3 or any other EA game

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[Spartan_Marine88]

So, by installing Origin you have given EA the right to go through your computer and do whatever they want with the information they find there. (this includes 3rd party companies)


Thier solution for you not liking it? uninstall thier games and origin.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

yea thats why i will be torrenting ME3 tbh, i bought all of their other games but wtf is with this bullshit of these things?
well it will depend if Origins will be like steam and will Force you to have it to play the specific game for if it wont be that way i will be buying it like the rest.

[Killer344]

ffs

[Tymathee]

they've changed it, give me a break, this is an old story.

http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/119/1191030p1.html

this is what it used to say

The original Origin EULA asked users to agree to the following terms of service:

    You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you.

Following the inevitable message board outcry, EA has since changed the EULA. The new text now reads:

    EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users' machines.

I'm still BUYING both Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3 because I could give a crap about the major company behind it, I appreciate the work Bioware and DICE do on the games. unlike activision who keeps goin with the cheapest company to do their games, EA has kept the original publisher around for all the games.

btw, that EULA is the norm, check other EULA's and they've got something similar. YOu think steam doesn't collect your information LMAO heck even yahoo is doin it now because they have a news thing that tailors itself to how i surf and i didn't know it until noticed how it changed.

then google always knows where i'm at no matter where i sign in, i think that's a bit more intrusive than EA knowing what kind of hardware and windows you have installed.

[Smokaz]

That EULA is seriously intrusive! To me it looks like they are basically making you agree on a backdoor to collect potentially damaging information about yourself and your computer usage.

Be advised!

[AmPM]

Totally, now how will you be able to comfortably watch underage beast porn in your own home.

[RikiRude]

honestly if any of you are on facebook then you shouldnt complain about the EULA, and its true google and all that stuff collects all sort of info on you. you may as well submit to it, if you don't I'm sure with in the next 3 years there will be other things collecting more info on you than you know.

[Smokaz]

I gotta say i'm worried about the mook generation which many of us belong to. We know how to use the software, update our anti-virus and manage general updates and settings. But many of us, we have zero clue as to how to monitor outgoing information and the inner workings of our OS/software. It's worrying because it allows legislation (which not everybody pays attention to) to just expand and expand without us really grasping what there is to worry about. Take for example task manager. Open it up, how many of the programs running in the bg do you intuitively know what do and the importance of? Not fucking many of them. You have to look it up, and even then its just one of many layers most people have zero clue about.  And there seems to be very little championing of regular users being i n f o r m e d users. Most EULAs do not even inform properly about the details of what you are agreeing to both in the legal sense of the word or the technical sense.

[Tymathee]

either live with it, go to court, or be amish. tv's have been collecting viewer ratings for years. cable companies do it, sat companies etc.

Anything that can connect back to the source can collect some type of info on you

[Smokaz]

either live with it, go to court, or be an amish.

I totally agree Tymathee! It's best to not care for things that do not affect yourself at the moment of which you present your opinion on it. I'm sure its all going to work out, and that those affected by it or the implications of something will be sorted out by those people,

[Tymathee]

sarcasm much?

[AmPM]

don't forget to also stop using credit or debit cards, paypal, a bank, radio, cellphones, regular phones, your car, tv, etc.

They can collect info on whatever of mine they want. I don't have a thing to hide. Dear god, they might find out what stuff I like and market to me!! Noooooooooooooooooooo!

[Smokaz]

I've always been a big fan of expanding our range of available emoticons.

You'd think you'd be more conservative when it comes to your civil rights and privacy.

Not to mention the continual pushing of what should be considered acceptable use of public space, which is where the adverts they use this type of information are going to show up.

[Tymathee]

like i said as option 2, go to court. right now its legal for them to do that, and as long as we agree to use their products, they can take info, we're kidna screwed.

btw ur not american smokaz

[AmPM]

You have a right to privacy. You do not have a right to a computer, phone, etc. Those are privileges, you agree to the EULA when you get any of those.

So make a choice.

[Smokaz]

And thats the important difference here, I am actually caring for causes and developments outside my own sphere of influence. This line of thought also happens to be the central component of humanitarian aide

Waiting for problems to envelope you and viciously assault you as a single entitity to become painfully obvious is no doubt the driving force behind governments ability to just do whatever the fuck they want, not even mention big corporations. You actually have the ability to protest or at very least be passively upset and aknowledge problems when its looking you straight your face. When human rights in lesser developed countries are violated for economic benefit but kept extremely tight in the home country, the missing component is the will and ability to see why you have to be interested in changes that do not directly hurt you.

But what's there left to say, look at your political system, it makes a mocking of what democracy aspires to be

You have a right to privacy. You do not have a right to a computer, phone, etc. Those are privileges, you agree to the EULA when you get any of those.

So make a choice.

The combined brainpower of AMPM and Tymathee is making the windmill look slow. The tech seems to be much the same though:
 air-powered.

I know i'm basically reteaching you primary school here, but have you ever heard of the right to property? the right to compensation for having something you own expropriated?

...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

Looking familiar to you? Maybe heard about it before as that soft drink got lukewarm in your hand?

[Tymathee]

Lol did i say i dont care? no, its just that there are things you have to do to change things, but for now i can't do much about it.

have u done anything smokaz? your country gets product from EA and other places, why dont u do anything? You play COH...they collect info all the time everytime you log on.

[AmPM]

That is the right to own property.

That would be like saying everyone should item a tank and a nuke. They are property too right?

Its simple, you have the right to own property, you are not to have it taken from you unlawfully. You agree to a EULA and you agree that they can collect info. You don't have a right to own any specific thing because a company may conserve the right not to sell you or allow the use of it's property to you.

For software specifically you don't own the product. You own a license to use the product.

Maybe Norway should allow everyone to carry assault weapons. Right to property and all.

[Smokaz]

Lol did i say i dont care? no, its just that there are things you have to do to change things, but for now i can't do much about it.

have u done anything smokaz? your country gets product from EA and other places, why dont u do anything? You play COH...they collect info all the time everytime you log on.

Have you read the EULAs? There are important differences between the proposed EULA from EA, and then current one for COH. The level of detail (especially post-change in the EA one) is also strikingly different. For instance, COH Eula does not force you to agree to being gathered marketing information from using your computer.

[Smokaz]

That is the right to own property.

That would be like saying everyone should item a tank and a nuke. They are property too right?

Its simple, you have the right to own property, you are not to have it taken from you unlawfully. You agree to a EULA and you agree that they can collect info. You don't have a right to own any specific thing because a company may conserve the right not to sell you or allow the use of it's property to you.

For software specifically you don't own the product. You own a license to use the product.

Maybe Norway should allow everyone to carry assault weapons. Right to property and all.

Certain commodities are regulated you know. You can't buy pot and RPGs in all cornershops around the world. Nice dodge of the word "liberty" in the amendment btw.

Also you're seven foot pole missing the point. People agreeing to open themself up to intrusion is not a problem, however the intrusion gradually being forced on everyone and standardized is!