[CW] Infantry Rework

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[PonySlaystation]

I really don't like how the Commonwealth faction works in vCoH. Basically they're focused around emplacements, which is not really fun to play with or against. In EIR the emplacements were removed but that left a big gap which still hasn't been filled. I'm not saying that emplacements should be brought back, they should be changed in to mobile weapons instead, like how the 17pndr currently works.

What I'm thinking about is their infantry, which needs a rework. In vCoH they were expensive infantry but also all-around rambos which meant that they didn't really require any real micromanagement. Officers only made this worse by encouraging players to blob all their infantry together. I know EIRs aim is to be as close to vCoH as possible but you must agree that this faction (at least their infantry) is awful, relic really messed up this one, and you know it.

In my opinion what needs to be done is:

Tommie Infantry should become more like other infantry, they shouldn't be rambo soldiers. They also need a grenade and that's where rifle grenades should be, rifle grenades should not be a weapon upgrade they should be an ability much like the panzerfaust. They could also use some variety, like another type of infantry. I'm not proposing a huge change to this unit. I'm saying rifle nades need to change, they need another type of infantry and I think they should get slightly less health and instead slightly more damage output.

Sappers should work like how builder units work in the other factions which is primarily as flamethrower support and as a builder of course, which is why they should be weak so that other units have to support them and lower pop so they can be effective as sandbag/wire builders. The Piat could be kept the same (with 4 man sapper if required).

Officers should just be upgrades to infantry squads so the officer becomes a part of the squad. It should not buff units around it but rather just improve the squad a little and maybe have some ability. They should still be limited however, I'm not saying it should be possible or effective to a captain or a lieutenant in every squad.

Here are the units I'm suggesting:

Light Infantry - 4 pop
4 man cheap infantry much like volksgrenadiers but only four man so you'll need to have more of them. Can be upgraded with a lieutenant and 4x Lanchester SMGs. The idea is that their cheap and low pop so you can have many of them but they have low survivability, meaning they require more micromanagement.

Tommy Infantry - 5 or 6 pop
6 man basic infantry can be upgraded with Bren LMGs or AT rifles and a captain. Instead of grenades they have rifle grenades which is an ability rather than a weapon upgrade, they fire a rifle grenade at a designated target like a house for example, rifle grenades have slightly longer range than regular grenades but do less damage. The idea is that they have about the same squad health as a riflemen but are six men so they have slightly more firepower and if upgraded with a captain they come closer to grenadier squad health.

Sappers - 3 pop
3 man infantry with pistols and slightly more health than engineers can be upgraded with a flamethrower or 3x Thompsons with drum magazines. The idea is that they work like pioneers and engineers so they are weak and need other infantry to support them. The flamethrower is good for clearing houses and the Thompsons are better at other close quarter fights.

[AmPM]

What are you talking about? Tommies are AWESOME in EIRR.

No, your engineers do not need SMGs and Flamers.

No, Brits have commando's if you want SMGs.

Rifle Nade is awesome as is, great useful upgrade.

[PonySlaystation]

What are you talking about? Tommies are AWESOME in EIRR.

No, your engineers do not need Flamers.

They're boring and generic, they don't require any micro and they're stronger just because they don't have any real mg counters. They need flamers and rifle nades should not be a permanent weapon because that's not what it is, it's a grenade and it works horribly bad in the game as a permanent weapon. They're also in need of a grenade.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

I like rifle grenades, they have their applications, and can be used to devastating effect on occasion. I rally don't see this rework as being too necessary. Tommies do their job in EiRR just fine. More micromanagement != better faction.

[RikiRude]

The only idea I like from the OP is the idea of just buying an officer in the squad.

What would be cool is if you could buy an officer upgrade for your squad, this would give your tommies the LT and Capt benefits, add an extra man to the squad (the officer) and cost some MU, MP, and maybe even raise the pop to 6.

[TheVolskinator]

Defeats the purpose of officers then. Although it would be cool to be able to purchase something like a Sgt, armed with a sten. Might convey 5% accuracy boost when in X cover type.

[spinn72]

I believe firesparks was trying to work on something similar, but the idea got shut down a long time ago :\

[Spartan_Marine88]

They're boring and generic, they don't require any micro and they're stronger just because they don't have any real mg counters.

see, this entiere sentence shows how little you know about brits.

1. Generic? they got rifle grenades and boys at rifle. Now everyone has them but brits had them first.

2. dont require micro? Brits might be stronger but a skilled player facing them knows how to exploit there weakness. Too many wher and PE players treat brits and ami mirrors and suffer for it.

3. No mg counter? A british soldier is borne with a rifle grenade in his hand. smoke and use it. Or better yet creep around and hit it.

Brits do not need to become mirrors.

In rereading your wall of text i came to realize. This is a rage post about riflenades.

In my opinion relic fucked up on grenades (not the brits), they shouldnt be an upgrade, they shouldn't have cost munitions (although cd/limited supply helps) as unless your a russian every soldier should have one.

[Smokaz]

let LTs buff riflenades more!

[Mister Schmidt]

I disagree with every single point.

Is this a serious post btw? Regardless, I found it hilarious.

Nice try.

[PonySlaystation]

Seriously? you actually like how their infantry are currently? Also wtf is this talk about mirroring? Just look at the Soviet infantry in Eastern Front, it's nothing like WM or US infantry because they all have different stats, weapons and abilities, kind of like what I proposed, CW just seems like an unfinished faction in the first place and there is never any serious gameplay from it. People in EIR just use the faction to exploit stupid strategies.

Mister Schmidt are you are serious guy? yeah I can see that. "Oh no change not good, I just want to spam sapper flamers in smoke and fail horribly at it."

The only thing this would actually do is give CW some versatility, increase the number of possible company designs and give them some micromanagement options. But that all sounds horrible right? Because CW were fine in vCoH right? and the small changes made to them in EIR made them ok right?

[Mister Schmidt]

No, change is good, except when the proposed changes are stupid and unnecessary.

But seriously, having Dawn of War squads in EiR is like, although realistically it could be cool, it would be silly to convey buffs to nearly every squad.

Also, you claim tommies are rambos, and in terms of hp yes, but they do have the shittiest guns in the game pretty much, so it's justified.

[PonySlaystation]

No, change is good, except when the proposed changes are stupid and unnecessary.

You don't see the contradicting irony in your posts?

[Smokaz]

Exceptions can be contradictions because, well they are exceptions. But please do continue, seeing pony and schmidt go at it will probably be like Goofey and Donald Duck squabbling with their animal grunts.

[Mister Schmidt]

Nah I don't bother with Pony anymore, waste of my time

[spinn72]

Mister Schmidt are you are serious guy? yeah I can see that. "Oh no change not good, I just want to spam sapper flamers in smoke and fail horribly at it."

Sigged for awesomeness.

[jackmccrack]

I would by flamers on so many Sappers

[Audemed]

I have to also disagree with your OP. I don't think those changes would really do much to actually help brits at all.

OTOH, though, i fucking hate riflenades implementation. Should be more like a cooldown based targeted grenade, just at a longer range. High accuracy, 30s/1m CD, higher dmg, all 5 rifles fire normally when not firing nades.

[RikiRude]

I have to also disagree with your OP. I don't think those changes would really do much to actually help brits at all.

OTOH, though, i fucking hate riflenades implementation. Should be more like a cooldown based targeted grenade, just at a longer range. High accuracy, 30s/1m CD, higher dmg, all 5 rifles fire normally when not firing nades.

that sounds like a really cool idea i have to say.

[TheVolskinator]

Why not just give Lee-Enfields 10 damage per shot? Its still not on par with 12-dmg-volks k98s, but its better then doing as much damage as a carbine--jack shit.