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[Dragon2008]

Some people use proper counters, but I guess you can also just spam mass Assault Nades on volks the entire game.

dont get me started on assualt nades lol stupid enough they can be unlocked on grens n volks. Now they are basiclly LOLIWIN ISNTA button.

[EliteGren]

lol stupid enough they can be unlocked on grens n volks

Uh what else would you want them to be unlocked on? Pioneers?

[AmPM]

Bar is decent medium range and best short range, with short range garands.
Kar still does fine vs it, fight at long range, stand in cover you have a chance to win, its fine.
And you can still win up close with mp44s designed for strictly short range, which have a weakness at long range.

So, tell me, whats the weakness of the MP44 scoped?

Half the DPS of an normal MP44 squad due to only having 2, less effective at short range than normal MP44.

[Dragon2008]

Uh what else would you want them to be unlocked on? Pioneers?

oh i dont kno. owe about jus KCH n storms lyk its dam well used to be. Atleast thn its was OP but rare to come across. Now every1 uses it as basic oh u av bar to supress me. haha ill break tht supression and bombard you with 6 nades. HAHAHA

[AmPM]

oh i dont kno. owe about jus KCH n storms lyk its dam well used to be. Atleast thn its was OP but rare to come across. Now every1 uses it as basic oh u av bar to supress me. haha ill break tht supression and bombard you with 6 nades. HAHAHA

Wait, Terror MP44 grens get assault now??! I'm confused.

[PonySlaystation]

A good solution is simply to give the scoped STG44s a high weapon cache cost.

[Groundfire]

A good solution is simply to give the scoped STG44s a high weapon cache cost.

Would do it if it worked properly.

[Dragon2008]

Wait, Terror MP44 grens get assault now??! I'm confused.

haha no.Ii was on about reg grens n volks. Dont think terror MP44 grens can get it.

[3rdCondor]

My 2 cents

1) I believe that grenadiers with elite armor for free is a little too powerful.

2) My suggestion, which is open to discussion, is to change battle hardened so that only storms get the elite armor. This will allow for storms to remain very good, but they are expensive and not as easily spammable with mp44s/shreks. I'm basically suggesting that reducing the frequency of elite armor is a solution rather than just eliminating it. The tier 4 would still be good for players who want to use a few stormshrek squads or mp44 squads. It will not, however, allow for players to spam blobs of seemingly invincible grens.

Removing elite armor from grens would weaken the tier 4 substantially. How about replacing it with a different buff? My suggestion is a sprint ability for volksgrenadiers with cooldown (2 uses and similar to fireup).

Now players will be able to have infantry buffs all across the board:
BATTLE HARDENED:
volks get fireup ability on cooldown (2 uses)
stormtroopers gain elite armor
Grenade, bundled nade, medkits, faust gain +1 use
KCH get assault/kits on cooldown

[RikiRude]

Yes, they are. Dual T3 BAR Rifles END them, without any issues, at all. For less than half the MU cost and half the MP cost.

On the other hand, I just looked at your stats. You sir, are a terrible player.

ampm, you fail on this. this is really your counter, dual T3 BARs? Come on, I know you better than this!

KCH giving you trouble? throw a croc in your company or 2 or more BAR/flamers combos in your company. if you are going to tell someone something is easy to counter, you have to give them universal counters. also a quad paired up with just about anything does decent against them.

[AmPM]

ampm, you fail on this. this is really your counter, dual T3 BARs? Come on, I know you better than this!

KCH giving you trouble? throw a croc in your company or 2 or more BAR/flamers combos in your company. if you are going to tell someone something is easy to counter, you have to give them universal counters. also a quad paired up with just about anything does decent against them.

Ok, other counter. Sherman/M8/M3 HT/Quad/T17/M18/Pershing/etc. see a theme?

It's sooo easy to counter KCH I don't get why people have problems with it.

[Spartan_Marine88]

My 2 cents

1) I believe that grenadiers with elite armor for free is a little too powerful.

Sherman Croc

Flame engy


there are not too powerful, just stop trying to counter them as if they were regular grens.

[Malgoroth]

4 man KCH can be difficult when backed up by Geschutzwagons and fausts (which you can afford because of the munis you save by not buying paks). Hardly unbeatable though. OP... not in the least.

Honestly the Geschutz really doesn't belong in Terror. I don't think it belongs in any Wehr doctrine... or the Wehr faction at all.

[DarkSoldierX]

Ok, other counter. Sherman/M8/M3 HT/Quad/T17/M18/Pershing/etc. see a theme?

It's sooo easy to counter KCH I don't get why people have problems with it.

Maybe because you've never actually fought KCH

KCH eat shots from all of those excluding M18, which will never hit, and pershing.

I can simply heal with gechutes cover after that and its like that encounter never existed for me.

[8thRifleRegiment]

KCH, LOL M10 Crush, supported by 1 atg for gshuctz getting in my way

[deadbolt]

why should a dedicated tank destroyer be 1 of the only solutions to countering KCH?

[8thRifleRegiment]

why should a dedicated tank destroyer be 1 of the only solutions to countering KCH?

and why should the soloution to any infantry engagement be "Lol Bar supression". Its just the metagame, bring some mgs, kch can get supressed, even with fearless, if he assaults you, push him around with a jeep or something. and while your pushing him, the mg is ripping him in half. Ive played against kch spam time and time again, and its not very hard to beat.

[deadbolt]

''push him around with a jeep''

lolk, 4 man KCH with that amount of dps at that range wont take even 1 burst to kill the jeep. and supression fire isnt all that great with the standing up and less recieved supression buff. anyone half decent will split their minimum of 2 KCH up and just annihilate anything.

[nikomas]

Use 3MG's for the same pop and cost as those kch's?

Pretty sure the mg's will win 

[smurfORnot]

why should a dedicated tank destroyer be 1 of the only solutions to countering KCH?

question is,why is dedicated tank destroyer then so good at killing dedicated ai infantry?! something is just wrong here