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TheVolskinator
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LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 02:39:29 pm »
0.1 accuracy at long range...afaik thats on par with pio mp40s...
So basically, I hopped on one of my VERY rarely used axis accounts and went in thinking "gee, 14 squads of grens + lmg42 ~= 14 rifles + bars". Uh, BARs kick the shit out of the LMG42 (SF not included); the LMG42 (IMO) needs some sort of accuracy increase to justify its price. Right now Id rather use vanilla Grens because I can generate a more accurate and consistent DPS with their rifles then the LMG42. What are people's thoughts on this; is the LMG42 justified for 70 MU? How effective do you think it is as a weapon? What can be done (if the need arises to do so) to improve the LMG42?
I just don't see it as a particularly tempting weapon unless its an upgrade on a Vet2 or higher squad. And on that note, dont Support Grenadiers use the same weapon (which would make them undesireable as a reward unit)?
EDIT: Yes, I realise that my arguments may be called into question because I rarely play with the axis factions.
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Scotzmen
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 02:42:58 pm »
Don't LMG42's get a minor suppression value?
And support grenadiers for PE used to be a faction wide unit, and used to be great at supression, but they were taken out as they wern't needed as scorched earth got a LMG42 team and what not.
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Vermillion_Hawk
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 02:43:11 pm »
I personally enjoy the LMG42, it pretty much exemplifies the Axis strategy: secure and advance. You obviously can't just send an LMG squad out running across cover with guns blazing like a BAR squad, the idea is to stay in heavy cover and let the LMG lay down the hurt. It also works exceptionally when garrisoned.
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PonySlaystation
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 02:46:16 pm »
volkskinator, you are the new nugnug.
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 02:48:44 pm »
Quote from: TheVolskinator on November 03, 2011, 02:39:29 pm
Uh, BARs kick the shit out of the LMG42 (SF not included);
no shit sherlock
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 03:03:42 pm »
Quote from: PonySlaystation on November 03, 2011, 02:46:16 pm
volkskinator, you are the new nugnug.
fu pony, i wouldn't suggest such a retarded idea.
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Tymathee
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 03:04:31 pm »
long range - bar
short range - lmg.
1 lmg with 4 men beats 2 bars with 6 men in it at short range.
at long range, 6 men with 2 bars shoudl beat 4 men with 1 lmg.
so, basically any side volks plays with is UP lmao
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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Quote from: gungun on November 03, 2011, 03:03:42 pm
fu pony, i wouldn't suggest such a retarded idea.
shall we resurrect the "tiger should have longer range" thread? or that it should be faster, have more armor, etc and the other "balance" threads you created.
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Hicks58
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 03:05:58 pm »
The simple solution - Stop using your LMG's at long range and expect them to kill something.
It's like complaining that MP44's are UP because they don't rape face at long range... The weapon isn't designed to be killing shit at long range, and neither is the LMG.
What the LMG CAN do however, is suppress when used in pairs.
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 03:08:11 pm »
Quote from: Tymathee on November 03, 2011, 03:05:28 pm
shall we resurrect the "tiger should have longer range" thread? or that it should be faster, have more armor, etc and the other balance threads you
never said it should be faster, front armor is weaker than panthers and tiger is a better tank by tier and cost and don't bring realism bs, longer range by 5 to bring it other anti tank standards is debatable.
I can bring x50 times the ammount of stuff you said Tym which is ridiculous then you'd find on me.
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Tymathee
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 03:30:32 pm »
Quote from: gungun on November 03, 2011, 03:08:11 pm
never said it should be faster, front armor is weaker than panthers and tiger is a better tank by tier and cost and don't bring realism bs, longer range by 5 to bring it other anti tank standards is debatable.
I can bring x50 times the ammount of stuff you said Tym which is ridiculous then you'd find on me.
real life - pathers frontal armor was stronger than a tiger because of the slope, so in one instance, coh mirrors reality.
and lol +5 range, no AI tank has over 40 range, so you'd do the same to the tiger, it takes it out of the realm of what its uses for, a dual role tank. Only dedicated AT can fire over 40.
just cuz u disagree with me doesn't mean i'm ridiculous, you get more flak than i ever do dude. and i dont keep arguing when i'm proven wrong yet you keep goin and troll and belittle people. I've never been banned from balance, you have twice.
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 03:31:47 pm »
Quote from: Tymathee on November 03, 2011, 03:30:32 pm
so in one instance, coh mirrors reality.
failllllll trollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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you get more flak than i ever do dude
and yet more of my balance ideas are in then all of your combined.
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Tymathee
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 03:38:43 pm »
lol more of your ideas, sure. just cuz i dont brag about them doesn't mean they dont get in. i've had plenty and i bet way more than you, especially considering i've ben around way longer and actually follow the rules of balance posting and how eirr works.
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gungun
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 03:40:11 pm »
lol you've been longer? check registration dates, and before this i had other acc with 07 date before the wipe.
Tym yet again proven wrong.....
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Tymathee
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 03:43:03 pm »
Quote from: gungun on November 03, 2011, 03:40:11 pm
lol you've been longer? check registration dates, and before this i had other acc with 07 date before the wipe.
Tym yet again proven wrong.....
show proof. both ur nug accts have 09, what other one do u have thats before then?
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gungun
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 03:43:41 pm »
LOL LIKE THIS ONE ?
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 04:16:32 pm »
Who cares about LMG long range accuracy(which its .13 not .1 btw). Its irrelevant. What you can do is take advantage of the +5 range over other smallarms giving you early suppression dealt upon the enemy squad.
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Smokaz
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 04:18:17 pm »
Real men use kar98s
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 04:18:52 pm »
you'd better gtfo nug
http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=10137.0
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Smokaz
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Re: LMG42: Squad gimp for only 70 MU!
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November 03, 2011, 04:19:28 pm »
Why get a lmg? bro you got kars
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