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Smokaz
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Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 12:13:36 pm »
You pay 60 mp for each wehr gren man. Amirite? Thats 1.33 hp/mp.
However, you get a good basic weapon and access to medikit on this squad.
Assault grens and tank busters are the same as wehr grens in terms of hp/mp.
For panzergrens you get a slightly cheaper hp/mp ratio, 1.48.
One thing that has been pretty much established is that PE benefits more than wehr from being able to use their infantry to kill handheld at squads and at guns since their stuff is squishier. However their infantry just aren't very strong!
I would suggest that we make panzer elite infantry more elite by adding a higher cost and more health.. My proposal:
- Panzergrens, Assault grens and Tank buster gren mp/hp ratio increased to be between grens and panzergrens current value (1.40)
This makes them better for MP than the current ones, but still not as good as grens
- Panzergren men will then cost the same on the three "different" squads: 300 mp
- Sprint back to vet 2 (sprint is too powerful to be bought)
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Health set to 105 per man
Would help differentiate them from the other factions. Right now they are too similar to americans as spam inf but they dont have the cost-effective spam upgrades that americans have.
In a long term perspective there needs to be a way to gauge just how to compare medikit grens vs pe inf, but right now I cant think of any solution to quantify this.
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IJustDontCare
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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Reply #1 on:
December 03, 2011, 12:32:10 pm »
Adding more health to units makes gameplay boring encouraging more blobbing since they can withstand more volleys of heavy fire longer vs using cover and other forms of attacking.
If they suck just lower their cost not buff and raise cost.
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Tymathee
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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Reply #2 on:
December 03, 2011, 12:36:52 pm »
how are they similiar to the american faction? less men (4) same health as grenadiers (80) and theyr'e cheaper than WM Grenadiers (210 vs 240) whats the issue?
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smurfORnot
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 12:41:20 pm »
I still dont like em,and buy them only when I need. I find scout cars more cost effective
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EliteGren
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 12:48:53 pm »
I like this. Strong infantry for more cost seems and sounds like Panzer
Elite
kind of thing. What I don't agree with is sprint at vet 2, you are saying yourself that it's too powerful to be bought, but you rather let them have it for free later on? I think sprint should just debuff the units accuracy for a while after it's been used.
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NightRain
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 12:52:58 pm »
With vet sarge bought give them 5th men and make them look like volksgrenadiers. Perfect plan.
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 01:15:47 pm »
Don't really like this proposal in current form.
Pgren blobs would dominate with nothing else to offset its increased strength other than price.
The problem is that they would be way more pop efficient then any other base infantry out their, especially when they can take a sherman shot to the face.
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EliteGren
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 01:18:41 pm »
Actually that sounds fair, if they are gonna be this survivable they should be 6 pop.
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nugnugx
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 01:33:35 pm »
+1 on those pgren, actualy i also suggested this some time ago.
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IJustDontCare
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 01:37:06 pm »
Or just keep them as they are and lower their cost to reflect off of it. They aren't useless units just not as good as others.
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Smokaz
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December 03, 2011, 01:44:57 pm »
Wouldnt mind them being 6 pop !
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Groundfire
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 02:32:04 pm »
I would like to see them at 3 men with elite armor, but we all dont get what we want.
Were not gonna make the base PE unit, which is already close to the equivilent of a WH gren already, even better. Those differences you cite are just splitting hairs tbh.
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Smokaz
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 02:42:46 pm »
The kar of the grens and the medikits are not "splitting hairs"
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Smokaz
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 02:45:27 pm »
Quote from: EliteGren on December 03, 2011, 12:48:53 pm
I like this. Strong infantry for more cost seems and sounds like Panzer
Elite
kind of thing. What I don't agree with is sprint at vet 2, you are saying yourself that it's too powerful to be bought, but you rather let them have it for free later on? I think sprint should just debuff the units accuracy for a while after it's been used.
My logic behind this was that the base unit would be too strong. If someone can aquire a mass of vet 2 + pgs and with sprint use them very cost-effectively, I see no issue.
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Smokaz
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 02:45:56 pm »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on December 03, 2011, 01:15:47 pm
Don't really like this proposal in current form.
Pgren blobs would dominate with nothing else to offset its increased strength other than price.
The problem is that they would be way more pop efficient then any other base infantry out their, especially when they can take a sherman shot to the face.
I think price is a pretty proven offset?
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Smokaz
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 03, 2011, 02:47:59 pm »
Quote from: IJustDontCare on December 03, 2011, 12:32:10 pm
Adding more health to units makes gameplay boring encouraging more blobbing since they can withstand more volleys of heavy fire longer vs using cover and other forms of attacking.
If they suck just lower their cost not buff and raise cost.
And it also buffs snipers vs them and other 1 shot weapons.
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TheVolskinator
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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Reply #16 on:
December 04, 2011, 01:46:03 am »
Make a new, more expensive squad (Landsers, Panzer Jaeger Infantry, or just Experienced Panzer Grenadiers) with something along the lines of what smokaz said (105 HP per man is borderline OP, especially with some of the things players can do with them--this is looking at you and your ?12 vet3 oakleaves w. assault spam and ace tigers company, smokaz).
PGs are OK right now, its just that the vcoh principle of PGs needing vet to overcome enemy troops also holds true in EiR--so stop fucking suiciding your units, and the problem should go away.
+1 to the general idea.
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hans
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 04, 2011, 01:56:57 am »
Quote from: TheVolskinator on December 04, 2011, 01:46:03 am
PGs are OK right now, its just that the vcoh principle of PGs needing vet to overcome enemy troops also holds true in EiR--so stop fucking suiciding your units, and the problem should go away.
yea smokaz, stop suiciding ur troops like a little noob (lol)
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SpaceHamster
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Re: Would you buy this panzergren?
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December 04, 2011, 04:29:07 am »
Wrong thread bro.
Edit: oh I see what you did there.
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