Tymathee
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« on: January 04, 2012, 05:10:37 pm » |
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Pros & Cons of top gunners for all factions coming free.
Affected Vehicles
CW - Staghound...lol
US - Sherman, M-18,
WM - StuG, StuH, P-IV, Panther, G-Wagon,
PE - P-IV Stubby, Hetzer, Scout Car
I'm not for it or against it, just a thought, looking for feedback.
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| EliteGren
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2012, 05:15:23 pm » |
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I'd rather have the gunner killed crit removed so you don't lose it after 1 atg hit  . |
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i prefer to no u
Don't knock it til uve tried it bitchface, this isn't anything like salads version. Besides u said a semois conversion would never work, now look that's the most played map, ohgodwhy.jpg r u map lead
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RikiRude
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2012, 05:17:54 pm » |
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you mean via a doctrine, or if they just started with it? we'd have to see some kind of price increase for everything.
the problem also is sherman .50 and m8 is far more useful than m18.
and well as you said with staghound lol.
also stug mg is far better than mgs on any other tanks for wm
would be interesting, but not interesting enough right now to even consider since there's so many other things to be worried about.
also agreed with elite!
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2012, 05:26:57 pm » |
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some people don't want top mg on hetzer and hellcat.
but elite's suggestion does make sense.
imo we should rework all crits since repair in EIR works so differently. we once wanted to make crit specific repair kits already but that turned out buggy.
what we could do is indeed remove top gunner killed crits. engine dmg could stay but make the effect of it less impacting. at the moment engine dmg reduces max speed by 60%. it would be interesting to see if we'd cut that in half.
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Unkn0wn
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2012, 05:45:31 pm » |
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I'd rather have the gunner killed crit removed so you don't lose it after 1 atg hit Undecided. This, it's kind of a wasted upgrade with the crit. |
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Tymathee
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2012, 06:18:56 pm » |
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removing cri would be excellet, didn't think about it.
but no not via doc, but it could be but just standard thru eirr.
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kwiatekkek
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 02:20:09 am » |
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ive had my sherman top gunner killed by frikin 4 man kch sq (not a faust shot), i was like realy ....
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Tymathee
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 02:23:55 am » |
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at least that makes sense. small arms should kill a guy sitting with his torso out the to of a tank but an atg killing it...is just stupid
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kwiatekkek
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 02:28:00 am » |
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oooook...
lets than make arty shell turn a tank upside down .
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 05:28:27 am » |
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this thread makes no sense at all
1. i thought we wanted to make eir having more options and diversity instead of removing them
2. that benefits only people with many armor (m8 is not your list but stag is so you probably just forgot it) e.g. one of my armor companies
8xm8 + 4xm18 thats 12x35mun=435mun i would save
in one of my wehr companies i got max. P4s = 5 thats 175mun i would same if i look to an other company (2panther 1 p4) its just 105mun
my pershing company (2 pershing 5 m8) would save just 175 mun most of my pe companies would save nothing cos they don't have units with top gunner
furthermore on a sherman you save 50 mun for .50 cal while on p4 just 35mun cos the .50 cal is better thats why more expensive
what you suggest is removing unit diversity (some units with top gunner some without) and buffing different companies unequal
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Tymathee
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2012, 11:33:36 am » |
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BD, please read the whole thread... I'm not for it or against it, just a thought, looking for feedback. its not a suggestion, i just wanted feedback, thats all. I actually feel after discussion that its a bad idea. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2012, 05:16:12 pm » |
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I would be fine if the ones that don't really do that much didn't cost anything (exceptions being .50 cals, stug, and hetzer I think). Top guns on P4 and Panther don't seem to really matter at all, but I still find myself buying them if only for the sake of giving my tanks every benefit.
The criticals are stupid often times, what Elite said happens all the time and it should never happen (makes no sense). However, I think an even worse issue is when you rescue a tank with damaged engine and the repair doesn't even fix the damn thing--nearly useless tank and 12-16 pop tied up for 5 minutes before you realize it and manage to creep it off the field.
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 05:22:36 pm » |
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some people don't want top mg on hetzer and hellcat.
but elite's suggestion does make sense.
imo we should rework all crits since repair in EIR works so differently. we once wanted to make crit specific repair kits already but that turned out buggy.
what we could do is indeed remove top gunner killed crits. engine dmg could stay but make the effect of it less impacting. at the moment engine dmg reduces max speed by 60%. it would be interesting to see if we'd cut that in half.
can you explain why this wouldnt work: ability checks hp of tank = a ability sets health to 100 (crits fixed) ability sets hp to = a ability initiates normal repair kit |
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SlippedHerTheBigOne: and i have no repairkits
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 05:25:32 pm » |
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something like that would require SCAR at least.
so even if its possible its gonna take forever to do.
crit specific repair kits are also just dumb tbh. If you got hit by a sticky or drove over a mine its your own fault. the enemy beat you, now don't try to act like he didn't by wishing a magic button.
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2012, 05:42:37 pm » |
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Magic button... Like supression fire?  |
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Smokaz
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2012, 05:44:50 pm » |
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something like that would require SCAR at least.
so even if its possible its gonna take forever to do.
crit specific repair kits are also just dumb tbh. If you got hit by a sticky or drove over a mine its your own fault. the enemy beat you, now don't try to act like he didn't by wishing a magic button.
trying to not flame you here, but 1 use of stickies for 1 use of a repair kit is a very good trade |
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2012, 05:48:05 pm » |
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I said crit specific repair kits.
perhaps it can be put in the default repair kit.
anyway if you want it go learn scar.
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Smokaz
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2012, 05:49:43 pm » |
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2012, 05:53:32 pm » |
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something like that would require SCAR at least.
so even if its possible its gonna take forever to do.
crit specific repair kits are also just dumb tbh. If you got hit by a sticky or drove over a mine its your own fault. the enemy beat you, now don't try to act like he didn't by wishing a magic button.
Right, but a repair kit should repair the engine and gun first. I don't think I'm even sure why the kits don't fully repair them anyway... some vehicles repair all the way, but the bigger ones never seem to. |
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2012, 05:55:18 pm » |
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We've been wanting to rework repair kits for some time now, allowing users to cancel them (with a delay) for one would already be a big step.
This is not the topic for it though
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