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[aeroblade56]

So when exactly are we going to see doctrines that are on par with terror?. i know this has probably been talked about to much so everyones bored but for reals. ive nevr seen so much units with buffs ont hem at once.  The axis Hmg is already better then the allied one, yet they give it  focus fire,elite armor,mp44s, and a extra source of healing (ambulance,medkits). or the other tier making your inantry stand up in suppression take less damage deal more dps and get weapons on par with bars.

This of course has been the arguement and discussion since terror was out. so i ask when are we going to see doctrine balancing, since this game is all about persistence and doctrines etc. you give us no updates other then the trademark Soon. which is not a answer as soon varies from person to person.


You would think that one of the mods would say hey, here are the updates we are working this is the estimated time to be update and give updates on the updates its better then being left in the dark.

[IJustDontCare]

Never.

[aeroblade56]

Never.

Soon.

[MorkaandBorka]

Were working on em.  Infantry is all fixed up and AB is getting slammed out now.  Please stand by. 

[nikomas]

Heh... to be fair, there are two really easy counters to terror heavy support spam... snipers and artillery, flamers do a good number on em to.
Either will make short work of a HS player, it's not flawless by any means

[aeroblade56]

Heh... to be fair, there are two really easy counters to terror heavy support spam... snipers and artillery, flamers do a good number on em to.
Either will make short work of a HS player, it's not flawless by any means

I didnt say it was flawless This wasnt even directed towards you. in general Terror has more buffs then any other doctrine by alot and it buffs everything.

[nikomas]

Define buffs everything...

Because as far as I know most docs buff everything one way or another, even armor coy get some buffed infartry (Even if it's not all to strong)

[aeroblade56]

lets compare.

T3 Field modification mg42 focus fire, grenadier grenades do 25% more damage. some tanks get 10+ sight.
panther panzer KT gets stug supression MG.

T3 commandos
officers 20-% recieved accuracy. heroic charge less regen gain heroic charge. cct and jeep get 15%- received accuracy.

[Spartan_Marine88]

lets compare.

T3 Field modification mg42 focus fire, grenadier grenades do 25% more damage. some tanks get 10+ sight.
panther panzer KT gets stug supression MG.

T3 commandos
officers 20-% recieved accuracy. heroic charge less regen gain heroic charge. cct and jeep get 15%- received accuracy.

One is spread out and the other is just concentrated. Heroic charge is probably one of the best abilities in the game, and the ability to just spam it more then makes up for the terror spread.

[Colossus]

well heroic charged despite its name is best at least i have noticed defensively  when u got a mass of units they tend to blow them to bits. and he said buff everything i was giving him a example. anything is spammable when u think about it spartan. if i take 3 cpt or w/e thats  21 infantry pool? :L on a unit that gets one shotted my a p4 or something. i know the idea isnt to run into a p4 or anything but sometime situations occur like that. ive never had a vet 2 officer

[NightRain]

Are you scared when you fight them?


I think you are, therefore the doc is making its apperance clear.

[aeroblade56]

Are you scared when you fight them?


I think you are, therefore the doc is making its apperance clear.

i wouldnt say scarred more frustrated when it beats me because i didnt spam arty or bring tons of flame.

[Shabtajus]

i know aero u r angry becuase of support spam we did with rolscika yesterday but cmon man u kept charging straight to mgs with blobs + lt and than QQ about mgs being OP    u got arty, we killed it, than again blobs vs mgs and QQ and now rage post on forums   

[smurfORnot]

I suggest you watch that game jack/smokaz vs morka/skaffa,smoakz had nice ammount of mg's and allies just made them useless
so yeah,I wouldnt call em OP at all,allies have nice counters to them.

[TheVolskinator]

i know aero u r angry becuase of support spam we did with rolscika yesterday but cmon man u kept charging straight to mgs with blobs + lt and than QQ about mgs being OP   u got arty, we killed it, than again blobs vs mgs and QQ and now rage post on forums  

We never blobbed anything, actually. And there's a limit on what I'd call reasonable with those doctrine buffs. Your on-field force was nothing but PaKs, MGs, and armor, with 1-2 recrew squads wandering about. It wasn't about outcapping; tanks could roll out, kill the cappers, and the PaKs and MGs would hold down the rest. There were at least 3-4 PaKs and 4-6 MGs minimum trolling around all the time. I'd call that interlocking gimmicks between you and rolc.

Ah, I forgot the storms that you had everywhere. So many freaking storms....oh yeah, with elite armor. So your collective team was fielding nothing but elite armor...

[smurfORnot]

this is why allies have arty 

[Smokaz]

Mg's are close to useless vs some doctrines, hell I cant think of one allied doctrine right now that can't specialize in avoiding getting supressed. MGs being so weak supports blobbing very much in eirr.

Also since the vast majority of players plan their game around what they THEMSELF want to do ingame, and not what they know the game can be like or the acts of their opponents they will always be super frustrated. In other words, CC stands for counter company and if something isn't CC'able its because its OP out the ass like acpr marders + scout car spam on the right map.

Dont make opening callins or entire companies based entirely around some masturbation dream about how you think it should be, use the experience from games to adapt your style.

very good players can have this block, as gamey as it feels I believe its a step up in enlightement when you stop caring about your ego

[TheWindCriesMary]

Dont make opening callins or entire companies based entirely around some masturbation dream about how you think it should be,

This is the number 1 problem with 98% of EIR's playerbase. If they just didn't do this, they would rarely have the need to come and start forum threads like this.

[8thRifleRegiment]

exactly, thats what metagame is, something you adapt to.

[nikomas]

exactly, thats what metagame is, something you adapt to.

I dissagree, most my starts work fine and I never gave two craps about what others do 
Then again, my starts are all pretty balanced in general...