let HVAP pershing switch between normal and HVAP Shells

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[Spartan_Marine88]

doctrine upgrades really shouldn't have a trade off tbh

[Tymathee]

lol i love the theoretical bullcrap that people like to spout. Why whenever there are "balance discussions"  people always add in doc abilities "oh a tiger can't beat an hvap pershign 1 v 1!" well duh! because hvap was created so a pershing can take a pershing 1v1!

but  a barebones pershign wont beat a tiger and an m-18 against a competent tiger commander wont beat a tiger 1v1 that's just ridiculous. all a tiger needs is 3 hits and its dead, heck on the 2nd hit it may take out an engine.

[AmPM]

Actually Tym, an equally skills M18 vs Tiger = M18 win every time. At equal levels of skill the Tiger will never hit the M18 unless the Allied player fucks up.

[Hicks58]

^ In open ground.

[3rdCondor]

Tiger ace is reward unit,pershing is not.
Does normal tiger have rounds to switch? No he doesnt.

+1

[AmPM]

^ In open ground.

If in built up area, just wait for Tiger to turn turret back to normal, come in from different angle, fire, back off. He won't even turn the gun till you are in view, you fire much faster.

Or, proceed to now ignore Tiger hiding behind building and laugh as you and your teammate crush the Axis at different location.

Panther is much more dangerous to your game plan than Tiger.

[aeroblade56]

i thought a toggle was set in motion a while ago. anyway isnt tank commander a toggle ability. and cmon lets be honest just take out the cuckoo and give us the super pershing problem solved.

[Hicks58]

If in built up area, just wait for Tiger to turn turret back to normal, come in from different angle, fire, back off. He won't even turn the gun till you are in view, you fire much faster.

Or, proceed to now ignore Tiger hiding behind building and laugh as you and your teammate crush the Axis at different location.

Panther is much more dangerous to your game plan than Tiger.

I dare say you consider the Tiger user to be a total idiot and not take manual control of the turret by careful use of attack ground?

Disengaging is irrelevant. If the M18 pulls out then the Tiger is also free to engage on another front, with support, doing what it should. This is Tiger vs M18 only.

A Tiger can piss on your bonfire just as much as a Panther can in the correct hands.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Tiger ace is reward unit,pershing is not.
Does normal tiger have rounds to switch? No he doesnt.

So lets just bring back old sherman HE rounds, as it shouldn't have toggle either

[Tymathee]

Actually Tym, an equally skills M18 vs Tiger = M18 win every time. At equal levels of skill the Tiger will never hit the M18 unless the Allied player fucks up.

I bring out a tiger, you bring out an m-18, i'll beat you every time.

it's only someone who doesn't know how to handle a Tiger that'll lose that engagement.

So, what you're telling me AmPm is that a 400 health tank that does 140.625 damage will be able to get off 7-8 penetrating shots vs the frontal or even side armor of a Tiger before the tiger gets 3 shots off and hits it? No way.

[smurfORnot]

So, what you're telling me AmPm is that a 400 health tank that does 140.625 damage will be able to get off 7-8 penetrating shots vs the frontal or even side armor of a Tiger before the tiger gets 3 shots off and hits it?

yes,because you cant hit what is outside of your LOS and range 

[Tymathee]

right and i'm going to be stupid enough to just let it keep hititng me lmao.

[Spartan_Marine88]

right and i'm going to be stupid enough to just let it keep hititng me lmao.

What else are you going to do? Catch it? its faster then you.

They are talking about strictly one on one, m18 will beat a tiger because its faster and has better range

[Tymathee]

What else are you going to do? Catch it? its faster then you.

They are talking about strictly one on one, m18 will beat a tiger because its faster and has better range

If you want to use its range, it's best to use it while kiting and the tiger will be able to catch up and i'm not going to allow it to do what it does best which is circle. it has to do either or and i'll be able to counter one or the other.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Tym i don't think you quite understand

M18 has greater range AND speed. ONE ON ONE the m18 will slowly wear down the tiger unless the m18 stops and lets the tiger move forward. There is nothing the tiger can do nothing.

[Hicks58]

*Cough* Environmentals. Stand up fight and if the M18 has all day, the M18 will win in open terrain. Proper tank micro will make it an even match in an urban environment, leading to the Tiger's victory every time due to needing fewer rounds to accomplish it's task.

Either way, this has nothing to do with the Pershing having HVAP on a toggle - Which I support btw.

[Tymathee]

Tym i don't think you quite understand

M18 has greater range AND speed. ONE ON ONE the m18 will slowly wear down the tiger unless the m18 stops and lets the tiger move forward. There is nothing the tiger can do nothing.

as i said to ampm, lets do this 1v1 and i will win everytime. only an incompetent player will allow the m18 to have the advantage.

[CrazyWR]

I like this idea.

HVAP on 45 Range when using AP and low splash and acc vs infantry
HVAP off 40 range normal splash.

Did you mean it like this?  ^

shouldn't be a range buff at all

[3rdCondor]

I would probably enjoy having just about every tank having some sort of toggle ability.

[Audemed]

You tiger vs M18 arguers are idiots, all of you.

Pershing needs the toggle. It's subpar with all 3 of it's T4's, the only useful way to use it is with the dual T3 for moving/shooting repairs. Tiger gets a toggle on a T3 to give it 40 sight and 20% accuracy, or a rotation/reload increase, yet nobody bitches about that (not to mention it gets keep it moving and doctrinal smoke rounds, armor cant even dream of that).

Simple toggle, same time as commander up/down or USK HE rounds. Switch between HVAP rounds and standard rounds.