Did Bioware Troll Us? (Spoilers)

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[Killer344]

Poor business decision?


Wtf are you talking about, everyone will be desperate to buy it no matter the price LOL.

[TheWindCriesMary]

This article sums up the whole problem beautifully.

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

My favorite point is the one about how, with the Mass Relays all being destroyed, the combined fleets of EVERY major civilization in the galaxy are essentially stranded around a completely devastated planet earth, with their various homeworlds being so far away that even their grandchildren would never reach them.

In other words, they are quickly going to starve to death/run out of fuel/etc. long before they come within a few decades reach of another inhabitable planet.

Well played Bioware, well played.

-Wind

[brn4meplz]

This is pretty similar to (street fighter?) a Fighting game that released recently.

A bunch of Hackers are getting in shit becuase they broke the security on Xbox copies of the game and are accessing Content that was slated for a 6 month delayed DLC timing.

So they purchased a game, found hidden content on the product they purchased and broke the security. I think it's tantamount to suicide for a company to release a product with the planned DLC on it already just waiting for the passage of time.

I understand that when a department has finished it's portion of the game that they may start on DLC/Expansions, but having the material available at release and not including it irks me so immensely that I won't purchase a product in the future.

[lionel23]

This is pretty similar to (street fighter?) a Fighting game that released recently.

A bunch of Hackers are getting in shit becuase they broke the security on Xbox copies of the game and are accessing Content that was slated for a 6 month delayed DLC timing.

So they purchased a game, found hidden content on the product they purchased and broke the security. I think it's tantamount to suicide for a company to release a product with the planned DLC on it already just waiting for the passage of time.

I understand that when a department has finished it's portion of the game that they may start on DLC/Expansions, but having the material available at release and not including it irks me so immensely that I won't purchase a product in the future.

Yeah I heard about that story too, shame on Capcom for doing that (it's Capcom vs Tekken).  They locked away I think 16 characters on the disk.. and you have to pay 20 bucks to unlock them.. in addition to the 60 you paid for the game, highway robbery!

[Zamochit]

yeah, the SF v Tek story is jacked up. Its not like it was just placeholders or animations but the full dlc. to have it on the disc and force people to play to unlock it is jacked up. people say me3 did the same but the character was just there but the rest of it needed to be downloaded.

[Tymathee]

Javik is still a b***h

[WildZontar]

Javik is still a b***h

Like I said before, so would you if your entire race was wiped out and youre the last fucking survivor. I know I would.

[Tymathee]

Like I said before, so would you if your entire race was wiped out and youre the last fucking survivor. I know I would.

Doctor Who is a G and he's the last of his race and even wiped out his own planet along with a whole 'nother race and he's one of the most sensible people ever.

You can choose who youwant, by saying circumstances make you who you are means you have no control over your own life and I sincerely dispute that.

Me and my brother both grew up in the same house, he went to jail twice, I never went once, was never in a gang, don't have a bunch of kids among other things.

He chose one thing, I chose another.

although playing thru the game, he does start to get it later.

[Killer344]

.... he doesn't have a fascist attitude because his race was wiped out.


*Hint: the final conversation about the memory shard.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Doctor Who is a G and he's the last of his race and even wiped out his own planet along with a whole 'nother race and he's one of the most sensible people ever.

Yes and in the christopher eccleston part hes a complete bitter asshole about it.

[Tymathee]

.... he doesn't have a fascist attitude because his race was wiped out.


*Hint: the final conversation about the memory shard.

Yeah pretty much, it seems the protheans were all jerks. they were the freakin roman empire of the galaxy "join us or die"

tbh...they weren't much better than the reapers it seems.

Yes and in the christopher eccleston part hes a complete bitter asshole about it.

Lol yeah he was but he got better. I didn't like chris eccelston, the 2nd (10th?11th? forgot...) was my fav, matt smith is, i dunno. I like him, but it seems more kiddish. the last season with the 2nd new doctor was awesome.

[Zamochit]

I believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

[Audemed]

I believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

Saw that too, and I must agree. There's just too much for it to be coincidence.

[spinn72]

After having a look at a few videos, there are some compelling arguments made as to how it could be perceived as Indoctrination, the one thing that really makes me believe it is that when Shepard chooses to destroy the Reapers then you see that scene where he's stuck under rubble on (what looks like) Earth and takes a breath as if he just broke indoctrination. But then again, this doesn't make much sense because he's only done that in his mind, and not in reality?

And in the Synthesis ending, you still get that "Tell me about The Shepard" speech too, so...

I can see that they're not gasping at straws, Lionel, but I believe that Bioware would have made it a little bit more obvious, based on their track record. I'm furious that they've caved for a small portion of players who were displeased with the ending, too, this can't be good for games in the future. I really hope the DLC only adds to current events, and doesn't aim to change the ending in any way.

[spinn72]

I believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

It's a good video, but it's got more holes than a block of swiss cheese.

[lionel23]

Heh, I believe it's more than a small minority of players, the fanbase (including myself) is very angry and I do not consider ME3 a 'work of art' that shouldn't be retconn'ed (at least the ending that is, not the game).

First and foremost it is a product.  Look at Sword of the Stars II, a game that was deliberately released in a buggy beta state.  I don't see anyone 'defending' that work of art.  Also the Devs had LIED in that they said several things, like there would not be an A, B, C ending and yet that is exactly what you got.  That there are 17 'unique' endings but they're pretty much all the same.  It's outright lying to the gamers that has infuriated many people, and granted if this were a normal RPG like.. say Final Fantasy with a fixed story then people would accept the ending.

However, the whole appeal or 'feature' of this franchise has been about choices.  Choices you (as Shepard) makes that changes the course of the game.  And when it becomes blatantly obvious your choices didn't matter... well, that's a slap in the face to ME fans.

Now if they showed say a CG battle sequence of EVERY war asset being blown apart or fighting, how making X or Y choice made the final battle good or not.. seeing a scene of each of your squadmates like they did in ME2 during the Suicide Mission... the fans wouldn't be unhappy.  Instead it's just as bad as one Chinese film I saw where the good guys kick the villian onto a spike, he gets impaled... and credits roll the MOMENT the spike goes through him.  No closure, no real ending, just an abrupt 'It's over! Congrats!'.  It was lazy work that Bioware cut a lot of corners for what should have been the finale.

[Zamochit]

It's a good video, but it's got more holes than a block of swiss cheese.

k try this one. this is the guy who made the top 10 reasons why we hate mass effect and he researched it and he's on board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZOyeFvnhiI

I believe sometime in april there will be a patch or a free dlc that you can choose to download that will explain it all.

I bet their just chuckling away right now.

[lionel23]

Yeah April is when the new 'ending DLC' comes out to clarify the ending.  Honestly Bioware needs to go down the Indoctrination path (which would be clever) otherwise if it's just a 'mission' in the middle of the game that doesn't make the ending more satisfying and not full of plot holes and dooming the galaxy, well I tell you people will speak with their wallets as many have written off ME3 as best forgotten, a terrible way to end the series.

[Zamochit]

I just hope it's free as i feel the massive outburst against them if they make you pay for it.

tbh...i think they'll slip it in a patch and then say "it's released"

[spinn72]

However, the whole appeal or 'feature' of this franchise has been about choices.  Choices you (as Shepard) makes that changes the course of the game.  And when it becomes blatantly obvious your choices didn't matter... well, that's a slap in the face to ME fans.

Then again, to create a game with as many unique choices that ME has offered over the previous two games would have taken years longer in development due to the complexity, and would have lead to so many different endings, when essentially, one ending would be canonical and people would be more pissed down the track, should they choose to make more ME games (which has been hinted at).

You get the choice to include/exclude (or eradicate) almost every race in the galaxy in an inevitable war against the reapers. I sealed the Krogan's fate way back in ME1, killing Wrex, destroying the cure in ME1 and stopping Mordin from releasing a cure in ME3. The rachni queen died, and same in ME3 for the reaper controlled rachni, the geth died.. The choices were gratifying enough. If that isn't enough, (if you take the ending to be real) Shepard gets ultimate choice over the fate of the entire galaxy.

One choice I would have liked would have been to have a few more party members (eg. Miranda, Morinth, Jack), but that's it. It's a bit disappointing how the only one you can include/exclude is Ashley (from memory).

I understand what you mean, but from a gaming standpoint, the series has offered more than anything else we've come to expect from any entertainment form in terms of free will and choice, and has done so with a deep and intricate back story with compelling characters. It's nothing short of a masterpiece in itself, and for people to dismiss the series as a whole for an ending (giving the game 1/10 on metacritic?!?!?) because it wasn't everything their hopes and dreams wanted it to be is a little silly to me.

Also about the war assets, there were probably between 50-100 different ones if I remember correctly, that's a lot of CGI .

On a side note, how sad was Thane's death? I'd never been so depressed playing a video game before!