Stormtroopers overnerfed?

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[Mister Schmidt]

And more health and can get very good upgrades

Get out of balance

[Nug]

And more health and can get very good upgrades

Very good upgrades yes, but don't forget they have their own MU price which is highest out of all other units...... 2 schrecks 300mu , 4xmp44 140mu.
Mp and pool price is something different to balance than MU price, because mp and pool affects the base unit and not the upgrades.


Health difference is not even noticable in-game it's that low.

[Mister Schmidt]

Surviving a direct tank shot is not noticeable?

[Nug]

I meant the infantry fights, if you have an unupgraded storm squad vs for example rangers with thompsons there is no difference if you have those 20 hp more on every men or not, you still die like grens same with bars, and if you fight vs riflemen you will still win because they have the same kars so it's just like a gren vs rifle fight, the mp and pool price reflects the unupgraded squad, the upgrades have their own mu price....

[Mister Schmidt]

Doesn't matter, upgrades are priced according to how good the platform is, not just the powerfulness of the upgrade. Would you expect to pay 300 munitions for 2 shrecks on a pio or volks squad?
No, because they are not as good a platform.

[Nug]

Doesn't matter, upgrades are priced according to how good the platform is, not just the powerfulness of the upgrade. Would you expect to pay 300 munitions for 2 shrecks on a pio or volks squad?
No, because they are not as good a platform.

Yes you are correct and that is why shrecks on storm cost 150mu and not 110 mu like on grens, because it is a better platform.


The mp and pool is just too high for the 'better platform'.  If storms had elite armor by default, 300mu and 9 pool would be ok, or if they had 40 more health per man. 
The current price just does not reflect 'the better platform' - in other words the cost is too high for the platform which they are. 270mp and 6 pool is more appropiate for what you can do with them.

[Mister Schmidt]

I don't think it is though, I think they are fine the way they are atm.

You shouldn't expect to be able to field so many of them as you can grens, they're elite infantry for a reason

[Nug]

I don't think it is though, I think they are fine the way they are atm.

You shouldn't expect to be able to field so many of them as you can grens, they're elite infantry for a reason

Here is my reasoning :


Grens cost 240mp 4 pool



KCH cost 290 mp 8 pool



Storms will be placed somewhere in the middle, they are better than grens because they have a little more hp and can cloak, but they don't have as much hp per man as KCH and don't have elite armor meaning if you are out of cloak with storms and don't have mp44 you are pretty much dead.

So if they are better than grens but not as elite as kch for combat they should be placed somewhere in the middle  - hence 270mp 6 pool.

The current pricing tells us that, storms are a better platform than kch, apart from cloak, they are a worse platform for combat because to fight you have to go out of cloak, and if allies have rangers or mandos with stens you won't steam roll them with mp44 storms.


Maybe just create a new unit for shreck storm and storms without shrecks which will cost less.

[Mister Schmidt]

Who says kch are better though?
Your reasoning implies both units serve the exact same purpose, and kch are just a better version, but that isn't true.
Kch are heavy assault infantry which excel at charging enemy infantry even if they have suppression units. They should be in the thick of combat.

Storms however, are a cloaky ambush unit. They do different things, taking out support weapons from behind with mp44's or bundle grenades, or if with shrecks can alpha tanks from behind too. They are not a frontline combat unit.

That is why i think you are wrong

[Nug]

Well how much vanilla storms or with mp44 or grenades lately have you seen?

I see only blobs of storm shrecks running around to 1 shot a tank, no one even is using unupgraded storms because the price is very high.

They are not a frontline combat unit.

That's like saying grens are not frontline units.

[Mister Schmidt]

No it's not, Grens are frontline units; they are medium priced an their upgrades fit their role.

I'm not arguing with you anymore because you clearly won't change your mind, I just think you're wrong on this.

[Nug]

No it's not, Grens are frontline units; they are medium priced an their upgrades fit their role.

So you are saying that a more health unit that is higher priced and is supposed to be 'elite' and is an enhanced version of the medium priced unit with an assault weapon of mp44 is not suit for the role of a 'frontline unit'  but the weaker version is with weaker upgrades like normal grenade and without mp44 ?

[Mister Schmidt]

It is not enhanced Nug, it is different.
The point of frontline units is that you can have a lot of them to do everything at a semi-decent level.

Elite units do different things better.
Just because storms are vageuly based off grens doesn't mean they should do all the same things.
Rangers are not just 'better' riflemen
Commandos are not just 'better' tommies. They are different units
Granted, it's more obvious with those two, but the point still applies.

[Herrpants]

I aggre with nug for the price they cost storms should be better tbh

[Nug]

It is not enhanced Nug, it is different.
The point of frontline units is that you can have a lot of them to do everything at a semi-decent level.

Elite units do different things better.
Just because storms are vageuly based off grens doesn't mean they should do all the same things.
Rangers are not just 'better' riflemen
Commandos are not just 'better' tommies. They are different units
Granted, it's more obvious with those two, but the point still applies.

Well then we need to put the 'elite' into stormtroopers  because right now they are 'medium-elite'.  All elite units like rangers ab and kch have different armor types, storms have normal one.....maybe here is a start....

[tank130]

Here is my reasoning :

Your reasoning is flawed, useless, and fucking annoying.
GTFO of the balance thread.

[NightRain]

KCH have 90 health per man. Storms have 95.

[Mysthalin]

Nug logic: Airborne and riflemen.

If riflemen fight a volks squad at short range, they win. If airborne do, they lose.

Therefore airborne should be cheaper than riflemen.

I propose 20 manpower and 0 pool - they're so shit.

[Dudi]

Ask allies if they want a similar unit on their companies. Only that. Ask they!!

[aeroblade56]

Cloaked assault engineers. yep i would be happy.