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[Mister Schmidt]

God forbid elite infantry aren't all the same!

[aeroblade56]

I agree smokaz if it was on a timer or recharge of some sort it would still provide a good cloaking whilst not being able to cloak all the time and alpha strike everything.

The hardest part (i think) is dodging a bundle nade 90% of the time that bundle nade is going to hit you, and for 45 for 3 its a little silly.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

God forbid elite infantry aren't all the same!

You're right, only one type of elite infantry can be an omnitool! All the other elite infantry types can simply be content with their well-defined and balanced roles.

[Mister Schmidt]

Sigh..

Not at one point did I claim that Stormtroopers were not OP nor in need of a tweak; I merely expressed the opinion that not all elite infantry should have the same kind of role.

Nerrr

[Vermillion_Hawk]

They don't all have the same roles, it's just that Stormtroopers seem to outperform their roles and then some consistently in combat.

[Poppi]

You're right, only one type of elite infantry can be an omnitool! All the other elite infantry types can simply be content with their well-defined and balanced roles.

burnnnn

[8thRifleRegiment]

They don't all have the same roles, it's just that Stormtroopers seem to outperform their roles and then some consistently in combat.

considering i need to pay 90muni for x2 mp44s, the only use stormies really have is for anti tank, and its easily counterable by sevral strategies. all of which are not difficult.

1.Get a jeep, keep it around your main force patrolling not too far out, lets see him try to hit that jeep knowing that BAR sqaud will toast him

2. Screen your tanks with rifleman, if theres infantry infront of your armor, he cannt attack the armor without revealing himself, losing against the infantry you have screened with.

3. Predict these kinds of things, if theyve alpha striked you once, and you dont know where they are, dont go out alone, stay with yer teammates.

But then again...in your words, you dont like advice...so im not suprised you have this perception of stormies
 

[Poppi]

considering i need to pay 90muni for x2 mp44s, the only use stormies really have is for anti tank, and its easily counterable by sevral strategies. all of which are not difficult.

1.Get a jeep, keep it around your main force patrolling not too far out, lets see him try to hit that jeep knowing that BAR sqaud will toast him

2. Screen your tanks with rifleman, if theres infantry infront of your armor, he cannt attack the armor without revealing himself, losing against the infantry you have screened with.

3. Predict these kinds of things, if theyve alpha striked you once, and you dont know where they are, dont go out alone, stay with yer teammates.

But then again...in your words, you dont like advice...so im not suprised you have this perception of stormies
 

strategies that only sometimes work and after the fact and arent really always a realistic approach doesnt seem to calm the matter. Chances are any person who know how to use stormies will totally avoid all these solutions and still cause sci-fi starcraft cloaking chaos.  I think its too much a BS skill given to a pretty good unit.

[8thRifleRegiment]

All they are is grens with the same rifles as grens, no special armor, just cloak, they also cost alot more in every single aspect, it takes alot of skill to make stormies usefull, a loss of even 1 x2 shreck sqaud is catatrophic amount of recources, and i disagree strongly those strategies are quite practical and are and should be rule of thumb in any situtation, you should always screen your armor, and you should always have a scouting peice on the field at all times. and wandering off never leads to anything positive.

[Nug]

Yes, pls delete cloak and make stormtroopers a mainline infantry like grens

250 MP
4 pool
2xmp44 for 60 mu as the better terror one is 70

[hans]

i love u 8th for ur failing what-would-happen-if-thinking lol.

okay i jumb up on that train:

u and if there is a tiger/p4... and is backing up the storms? well yea the rifles would have a problem to kill the backrushing storms after one striking ur tank and probably the storms get the sprint buff of the tank.

oh yeah well maybe there is an atgun backing up ur tank and inf? well after alpha striking the tank the storms can fall back and wait for another one on another tank or atgun.

u see it would go into nowhere  

btw did u play often as allies against good players using this strat 8th? (if yes evidence pls)

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to the stormtrooper strat is the only way to beat them to have masses of jeeps/recon squads/... and well units that can step by step take those out. (sherman, sniper, cromwell, ...)

without those decloaking units u wont win and even if the storms can successfully take out many targets without losing a man, u will lose too. So to beat them u have to focus on killing them fast if they decloak and push them with jeeps or so. mark target is also a very good option to help u beating them.

in conclusion i would say its like every other strategie, u have to use the right counters to beat them. if u dont have them, and yea who has so many jeeps normally in his coy?, they will be a fucking pain in the ass.

[hans]

btw if storms wont use cloak anymore, what would be their role in the battle? a better gren squad? makes no sense for me.

if u want to change sth, smokaz idea with the cloak in recharge sounds nice

[Nug]

to the stormtrooper strat is the only way to beat them to have masses of jeeps/recon squads/

Cloak is op.

[hans]

masses of jeeps vs 4-6 storms max in a company?  more than that and your company is screwed due to costs.

ehm, having same amount of jeeps would not screw ur coy (6 to 8 jeeps). the only issue is if u lose them without giving the storms any losses. but yeah it requires alot of skill to beat storms of a good player.

[Nug]

Pls make  stormtroopers a mainline infantry,  they will have some more HP than grens so make them 250mp and reduce 2xmp44 to 60 as the better terror one is 70.

I'd totaly go for a unit like this.


and yea, delete cloak.

[hans]

On a second thought yea, pls make  stormtroopers a mainline infantry,  they will have some more HP than grens so make them 250mp and reduce 2xmp44 to 60 as the better terror one is 70.

I'd totaly go for a unit like this.


and yea, delete cloak.

hmm, would be interesting how this unit would peform. Maybe add cloak in cover like fallschirmjägers have?

[Shabtajus]

to the stormtrooper strat is the only way to beat them

i ussualy just dodging fight, and starting cap, no point sit and w8 untill storms will pown atgs, getting m10 and shitload of inf and just caping, most of the times it works cuz due storms and tiger blitz guy becomes super slow

[smurfORnot]

hmm, would be interesting how this unit would peform. Maybe add cloak in cover like fallschirmjägers have?

mirroring units?!

[hans]

i ussualy just dodging fight, and starting cap, no point sit and w8 untill storms will pown atgs, getting m10 and shitload of inf and just caping, most of the times it works cuz due storms and tiger blitz guy becomes super slow

beat means in my words not dodge, it means taking them out or killing them. however, interesting strat tbh.

mirroring units?!

maybe u learn to argue? i dont see any sense in ur response tbh

[smurfORnot]

why argue? I am in a good mode...