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[hans]

hey,

if no one reads the tutorials on the forum, why should not every new registered account get a pop up of the tutorial he has to read and agree with a certain button to certify the account?

then he can go ahead with registering

[EIRRMod]

Quite a few points have been brought up in this thread, and a few have been noted down (Imma gonna keep that super secret squirrel hahaha) - but we read, listened, and will make some changes in the future.

[Tymathee]

secret squirrel?

[RikiRude]

good to hear! i knew even if i didnt hit all my marks with the OP that it would of at least lead to some interesting discussion and I'm glad it didn't get too out of hand.

[EIRRMod]

good to hear! i knew even if i didnt hit all my marks with the OP that it would of at least lead to some interesting discussion and I'm glad it didn't get too out of hand.

Yeah mate, even if I disagree with a post, you posted it in a well formed, polite manner - which makes me read it (and other dev members) and pull apart what we think is relevant, and listen to the concerns

True story bro

[Tymathee]

i hope the community gets it now.

well thought out posts - devs listen
rage posts - devs ignore

quite simple really

[EIRRMod]

Its not just that Tym, although you are correct.

There are so many things I would like to add, tweak, change, remove - that quite simply, I am just focusing on additions atm.  While that may not work in a real game, it works for me.  I can then tweak, change, remove whatever is left afterwards.  Its quicker for me, and as I am the only real launcher coder - I have to do whats quick, and efficient.

Quite a few AWESOME ideas have been put on the backburner, or just plain forgetten by me.  And thats noones fault but mine.

[Shabtajus]

gentlemen,

my honest opinion is that the massive imbalance, which is favoring the allied factions, is an essential reason, why people stop playing this. And you all know the second step: offending players after a game, where you clearly lost against the units - not against the player! Well this dicourages .
I will never forget how hard i was fooled after i complained (and even when i was raging, i was still objective and gave quite clear points) about a the latest inbalance changes.

Another thing is the dev team. Well first of all thanks to the most devs. invested alot of time and i am honestly thankful for that. And now to the ******* from the balance team. Well ok i applied(even before the latest patch) to become a member cause i had certain ideas and my name was mentioned in the application thread- did i got an answer? NO
i thought "ok, no problem, they have enough cool guys" and then this patch.....
ok a short time after this idiot patch the smarty behind it came out. Well and he stated clearly in the forums: be at that time in ventrilo then i listen to your concerns. ok fine.
I was there. Channel was muted. So i opened a chat:
"ME: hey you wanted to know what the problems are. - HE: No actually not." I will never forget this. this guy is part of the dev team? I also tried to speak to another BT member- no answer. Sorry guys but tell me how i can keep any respect for the balance team.

To summarize it: use the banhammer harder to teach manners. Change the culture in the balance team. Fix the balance or go back to a back up (cause i think this costs the most players).


PS. to the communication thing with the community: I switched to OMG, when the balance became a catastrophy. There was every evening a dev online and playing, he heard all the complains and rage. I have not that often seen a dev playing in eirr . Well anyway í suck at OMG. But still one of the devs asked me about my opinion of this mod and if i have some ideas what could be changed. Well i told him. And he saw that i had alot of ideas and he told me to make a list of them and he would pass them on (they are properly not inplemented) but that is how you communicate with the community

ick says so much true here... well Ick meet ya in there, just reinstalled it 

[tankmaster23]

 Well I just wanted to ask EIRMOD his opinion on Manuka honey ....


 Rocksitter

[EIRRMod]

Well I just wanted to ask EIRMOD his opinion on Manuka honey ....


 Rocksitter

My daughter loves it, but im not a fan of honey.

[nikomas]

ick says so much true here... well Ick meet ya in there, just reinstalled it 

Yeah, that argument...

"Your mod sucks because you didn't listen to me, ALLIE OP, y u no want to hear my BRILLIANT ideas!"

Yesh, there is no way to argue against that methinks, it's foolproof!

[ick312]

Dear Niko,

let me put it this way: i am not expecting that my ideas are implemented and i think that there are a lot of other ideas how to solve the problems. But what i am seeing is that everyone cries STACK STACK STACK and that we are losing alot of players because of stacks. and i am hearing "its so hard ....... " Well i am saying that theres a simple solution- you dont have to like it.

2. "your mod sucks..." Well plz ready my post before you reply on it.
"Well first of all thanks to the most devs. invested alot of time and i am honestly thankful for that." is that sentence in it? ( ) yes ( ) no ( ) perhaps

3."because you didnt listen to me...." i got no problem if no one cares about what i am saying
=>" i thought "ok, no problem, they have enough cool guys" and then this patch....."
if everything works: fine.

So to summarize it for you niko: please go to elementary school and learn reading before you start to insult others.
And by the way: your post shows the problem of the community

[nikomas]

...

While it was probably not really what you intend to say, that's what you sounded/read like. Oh, I read your entire post and you know what? I stand by exactly what I said! This is one of the rare moments I'm actually going to try helping someone, god help me for that...

Posting 101 with Nikomas

- Starting off the post by saying that the allies are favoured, "massive imbalance".
The first one is a terrible way to start of a post, it gives one the impression of a rant and it is the first thing that will make people ignore you entirely.
- Curses/*****'s.
The second point just makes the post look like a ragepost, making people even less inclined to pay any attention to it.
- Lack of any capitalization/grammar whatsoever.
The third point makes the post annoying and difficult to read, requiring one to read it over more than once to understand what you are trying to say. Not to mention it makes the poster look lazy.
- Lots of references to yourself, aka "listen to me/My ideas/I was not asked".
The forth point gives the reader an impression that the poster is full of himself, "I should be on the balance team to bring forth my great ideas! You should listen to my ideas! This has the effect of making the reader think "What an asshat" and again, ignore anything you said.

This, is how your post quite accurately sounds like _{"Your mod sucks because you didn't listen to me, ALLIE OP, y u no want to hear my BRILLIANT ideas! OMG devs are so much better!"} even if that was not your intention at all.

As far as asking devs directly goes? If you have opinions on balance you post them in the balance forum, you have done this and I'm pretty damn sure most of the devs do read those posts, that is what that forum is there for. If you go poking devs personally on vent while they might be doing things not related to EiRR and might be busy, you can expect to get ignored or told off. Sometimes they'll have time for you, but you'll have to expect to get turned down and don't be pushy about it. If your ideas don't catch on at all in the forums or with others, then it might not be the people you are telling but the ideas themselves that are flawed.

So, my point is, I'm pretty sure almost nobody read your post, much less gave two craps about understanding it due to how it was written.

So to summarize it for you niko: please go to elementary school and learn reading before you start to insult others.

Before you start telling people to go back to school you might want to learn elementary level grammar first. I assume you are from a country with poor English education so I would normally not point out the spelling, but if you're going to insult my reading comprehension? You know what? I don't feel like commenting on your English anymore as it would feel like a low blow.

[tank130]

You guys wanna take your crap to PM's please.

[nikomas]

I promise tank, that's all I have to say on the subject

Now on topic, I trust that the cards and crap will be done soon(er)_tm or later, and I bet people will be back to play when they are. And one has to remember that a lot seem to be playing guild wars 2, and myself I got back into HoI3... And then X-com is around the corner, heh, bet that'll throw quite a lot of players of EiRR as well, given by what people here tend to play.

[tankmaster23]

 What about the healing properties of Manuka I love honey I just heard about this type and figured I would ask??

 Rocksitter