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[terrapinsrock]

Neither candidate suits me. Both are out to limit personal freedoms in different ways.

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[tank130]

It's not the fact that it grew but a matter of how much. He also kind of did have congress on his side for the first two years, just saying. It's not just about claiming he killed bin laden but operational security. Giving away secrets to hype himself up is a quick way to get good men killed. Not to mention how the fuck are we supposed to get informants now?

Then you have epic fail Benghazi were gunships could have been called in along with delta force but was not allowed to proceed. The mortar that killed the two former seals was laser designated and their death's could have been prevented.

Obama time and time again has showed his failure to lead. Look at what he promised and what has actually happened. Don't give me this congress didn't let it happen bullshit because it was democrat controlled for his first 2 years in office. To tell you the truth I don't give a flying fuck what party he's from, a turd is a turd no matter how it's wrapped.

Wait a minute..... lets see if I got this straight.

The military is butt hurt because Obama took credit for the Bin laden kill. They said he has nothing to do with Military success.

But then you also claim he is responsible for deaths from mortars......

Which is it Jodamar? Is he responsible for the military or not?

Try not to copy paste so much from the Fox news web page please.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Well I was about to flip on the Comedy channel but I found out Jodomar posted in this thread. No need for Tv.

[aeroblade56]

comedy channel is useless.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

comedy channel is useless.

How so?

[aeroblade56]

 

[Smokaz]

Didn't realize you turned on channels, I thought you switched between them on a turned on TV.

[Mysthalin]

Jodomar, let me get this straight on your rationality:

1. You are strictly opposed to any sort of intervention.

2. You are entirely for only allowing the government do that which is a pure fiscal net gain to the economy.

3. You are chewing out Obama for not going for a full on invasion on Lybia (violation of 1) for allowing the death of 2 Navy Seals (valued at £2,000,000 if taking the British ONS figure on value of statistical human life, one of the highest estimates in the world) as opposed to spending trillions of dollars in a full-scale invasion of Lybia ( $1,000,000,000 > £2,000,000, so hence violation of 2).

Which means that you are fine with somebody being wrong, as long as they make two wrongs in a row towards their logic?

[Groundfire]

Jodomar, let me get this straight on your rationality:

1. You are strictly opposed to any sort of intervention.

2. You are entirely for only allowing the government do that which is a pure fiscal net gain to the economy.

3. You are chewing out Obama for not going for a full on invasion on Lybia (violation of 1) for allowing the death of 2 Navy Seals (valued at £2,000,000 if taking the British ONS figure on value of statistical human life, one of the highest estimates in the world) as opposed to spending trillions of dollars in a full-scale invasion of Lybia ( $1,000,000,000 > £2,000,000, so hence violation of 2).

Which means that you are fine with somebody being wrong, as long as they make two wrongs in a row towards their logic?

[terrapinsrock]

Jodomar right now:

[aeroblade56]

Which means that you are fine with somebody being wrong, as long as they make two wrongs in a row towards their logic?

[Smokaz]

I hope there will be faceoff with cyborg putin against robotic brain obama.

[Jodomar]

I would think you to be good at math Mysthalin but apparently you can't count. How is one specter gunship and a team of delta force an invasion?

Tank I think you drank to much of your fun juice because that shit just makes no sense. Obama is the commander and chief of the military, so he is ultimately responsible. The special forces community are mad that he personally took credit for it in the same way Mcarthur did in WWII when he said " I shall return" instead of "We". They are even more upset by the amount of unnecessary leaks coming from his administration regarding tactics, who was involved, secret equipment and so on that has got people killed.

When it comes to Benghazi his inaction got Americans killed. When a US consulate comes under attack the ambassador has a direct Msgr service to the white house. This goes to a station that is maned 24/7. The information is passed on the commander officer who is also stationed in that room. Then this info goes to the general on duty who then relays it over to the president. If the president is unable to be reached the Acting General has the authority to act and will do so 99% of the time unless ordered to stand down from the president himself. Could it have been the Acting General who did not take action maybe but highly unlikely. It seems clear that the president did not want to send that help. We may never know the truth, unless they have a water gate type of congressional hearing over it.

It's clear that I  don't like Obama but if any president had done the same I would be pissed. This just does not send out the right message. The message it sends is that we will not back up are appointed officials and military personal on the ground so go ahead and attack, we will do nothing about it. Also, kind of makes you feel shitty inside because we have had a leave no man behind policy in place since this country was created and that now seems to have been shattered.

I get my comedy from reading the ridiculous reply's to my posts. Can't we all just sit by the fire, roast marshmallows while holding hands, singing kumbaya?

[AmPM]

I agree on the embassy assault. There was no reason it should have been allowed to happen. One gunship would have solved that problem, or a change of ROE....

[brn4meplz]

I agree on the embassy assault. There was no reason it should have been allowed to happen. One gunship would have solved that problem, or a change of ROE....

RoE's were not the issue. A lack of Security personnel was the issue. State department controls staffing and manpower for your embassies if I'm not mistaken. There definitely was a problem, but I'm not convinced the problem was from the top down.

[Tymathee]

Jodomar - how many americans died in iraq chasing after non existant wmd's?

How many died in afghanistan chasing after Osama after he failed to give the order to chase after him before he got into pakistan?

How many died from his poor handling of the economy?

How many are homeless cuz of those same policies.

How many died cuz of his poor handling of Katrina?

Please...don't get me started over one thing that he had no control over. He put people in charge to do their jobs, freakin Hiliary Clinton came out and said "my bad" on the security issue, yet people like you who listen to the babble that Fox News (MSNBC is no better) puts out believe everything they tell you.

[Jodomar]

I'm tired of hearing about this bullshit that was Kartrina. Anyone who stays in a city that's below sea level during a hurricane deserves to die.

What does wmd's, Osama, homeless people, the economy and big bird have to do with Benghazi?

The economic crisis was caused for multiple reasons including both democrats and republicans. You just can't point the blame finger at anyone person.  I also did not agree with bushes massive spending habits and expansion of the government. Again, what the fuck does this have to due with Mitt Romney or Benghazi?

[Tymathee]

I'm tired of hearing about this bullshit that was Kartrina. Anyone who stays in a city that's below sea level during a hurricane deserves to die.

I read this and I was done with you.

From now on I'm totally ignoring everything you say, you just showed how freakin cold and heartless you are and if you stand for anything that your party represents, I know I've made the correct choice.

[aeroblade56]

TBF, it is a bit cruel what jodomar says about below see level but it is sorta true you wouldnt swim in shark infested water?. knowing its coming and doing nothing about it is kinda silly :/

[Killer344]

I'm tired of hearing about this bullshit that was Kartrina. Anyone who stays in a city that's below sea level during a hurricane deserves to die.

lols