Potential Nebel change.

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[Hicks58]

People have been saying for quite a while that the Nebel is pants at best.

I'm of the opinion that through it's damage, it's suppression and it's AOE, it aint that bad when it lands on a target. The base statistics don't need tweaking.

There is something else that can be done with the Nebel however, which doesn't involve toying around with the base statistics. Change the way that the Nebel fires.

Currently, the Nebel fires in a straight up then back down on the target fashion. It also fires off it's rockets pretty slowly. With the removal of it's building crit, it lost it's only real purpose - Making people GTFO of buildings upon hearing the signature screech of Nebel rockets.

The first half of my proposal is to change the angle that it fires a fair margin higher than the Calliope. This will make it's spread a bit more consistent in general. The other half is to increase it's rate of fire to about 0.25 - 0.5 seconds. This will make the Nebel ripple-fire it's 6 (or 9 with Firestorm) rockets. This will allow more than a single rocket to actually hit the intended target. This is in contrast to the current routine of maybe getting caught by a single rocket because you've had half the day to start moving after the first rocket launch.

With this firing style, you wouldn't even need to re-enable building crits... The angle would have it wreck most buildings you pointed it at as the 6 rounds are liable to end up going into the desired building anyhow.

By altering the firing path and speed, you've got a consistent suppression and small area denial weapon as well as building killer without touching on the main stats.

Sound good?

[Mysthalin]

Definitely agree. Fund it nao.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Would make it a lot more interesting to use but Arent you just describing the Blitz mod Low ark fire on the Nebelwerfer?

[nikomas]

As I said earlier... Niko approves!

Well, with the reservation that the effectiveness against support weapons might need to be looked at due to the small splash and the ridiculously large scatter at long range. Now that the rockets will have trouble landing behind atg's and most likely hit the gun, with the pathetic splash the crew will be easier off.

Still better than what it is right now by far

[pqumsieh]

I like this suggestion, we could play around with the splash a bit to better match the presentation of the rocket explosions.

[pqumsieh]

Although I'm not sure whether this will improve building performance. If you fire at a building with a low angle the rockets will only damage units on that side of the building rather than if you fired like a mortar.

Just an FYI

[AmPM]

Although I'm not sure whether this will improve building performance. If you fire at a building with a low angle the rockets will only damage units on that side of the building rather than if you fired like a mortar.

Just an FYI

Unless it collapses the building....

[Tymathee]

so basically, this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34xz-WPVZqg

[Unkn0wn]

I like this suggestion

[Hicks58]

so basically, this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34xz-WPVZqg

Pretty much, except a little faster firing rate since you'll typically only have one launcher, two max.

Although I'm not sure whether this will improve building performance. If you fire at a building with a low angle the rockets will only damage units on that side of the building rather than if you fired like a mortar.

Just an FYI

Yes, it'd only damage units on the side that it hits. However, it'd also totally collapse the building if all 6 of them slammed into it and hit the 3-4 critical points. But shit, if you want to hit the inf inside the building THAT badly, drive a bike or run a squad past it for a split second to make everybody shift to the desired side of the building.

Try making up a mock version of it and see if it works out PQ. The animation will likely be off as by default the launcher points straight up but you can check out it's combat performance. Animation can be sorted out later (Hell, if the angle is done right it may not even have to bother playing an animation to change the angle of the launcher at all)

Remember, base two points are angle of fire and sufficient increase in RoF to around 0.25-0.75 seconds per rocket.

[Mysthalin]

Although I'm not sure whether this will improve building performance. If you fire at a building with a low angle the rockets will only damage units on that side of the building rather than if you fired like a mortar.

Just an FYI

But you'd get a choice of which side of the building you're hitting. As opposed to the random "lol, I might not even HIT the building" situation that it is now.

[Hicks58]

Not only that, but a Nebel barrage with the adjusted arc and the increased RoF would look cool as fuck.

Swagger points man. People'd field Nebels just to watch those swanky rockets fly.

...At least I would anyhow lol.

[PonySlaystation]

Blitzkrieg mod has this, I suggest you try it out if you have it installed. It's interesting because you can choose between the two firing modes and firing like a Calliope allows the rockets to get to their target much faster but buildings and hedges also become obstacles. So it's a bit of trade-off, but ultimately it makes the Nebelwerfer more versatile. So it's definitely a good idea.

[Tymathee]

I love it in blitz mod, you get the same option for the Stuka, in some cases i'd go either one or the other depending on how i feel. If its sitting still i go high barrage, if they're moving low barrage.

then again, in blitz nebels and stukas are ridiculously over powered, once you get 'em, the allies are toast, just aim and fire at the base and it's over.