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[puddin]

You're right.

There ARE counters to Goliaths. However, with every spam build that is made, an underlying issue with a unit is brought to light. Sometimes it's a glaring issue, sometimes it's a subtle issue.

With the Goliath, it's just the fact that you can have so many of them and still an effective company in field at the same time, as well as sorting out the priorities on it. No changes to how the unit is used or what the unit is capable needs to be done, it just needs in my opinion, a bit of a pop increase so you can't throw hordes of the buggers out in field whilst having a load of support weapons too.

having a quad, a bar squad or any kind of focused fire will disable all golioth spams. 

They have no sight and people use them to flank, knowning that its like At gun creeping, you gotta be carefukl

[nikomas]

Puddin, as we just established the Quad will priortize and auto target other units over the goliath, making it unreliable for countering goliaths.

[brn4meplz]

That's why we have left mouse buttons. Select/drag select/hockey and click attack.


Is the argument here that units don't do enough on their own?

[puddin]

Puddin, as we just established the Quad will priortize and auto target other units over the goliath, making it unreliable for countering goliaths.

your right, auto targeting is what wins games in Eir.  Sorry, i forgot that this comunity has never herd of the terM micro, or even, PAY ATTENTION for that matter

[PonySlaystation]

That's why we have left mouse buttons. Select/drag select/hockey and click attack.

I didn't know you could do that. Finally someone with helpful input in this thread.

[Spartan_Marine88]

I didn't know you could do that. Finally someone with helpful input in this thread.

If you are trying to micro a tank away from a Goliath while clicking attack hotkey on it sure it will turn to fire at the goli, however if you are forced to move again before it actually shoots it will return to its target tables potentially firing thus going on cooldown requiring you to probably keep moving and attempting to re target said goliath. Every time you click to move, unless you sit and make sure it fires on goliath (your fucked if you miss) potentially keeping you in range of atgs or other dangerous things, your tank may start to retarget something other then they thing you want.

While most of the times I personally feel this is a non-issue, the whole 'micro better' comment is kind of silly when your micro can be hampered by the tables. (we have fixed them for other things before.)

This is the exact same argument as the CCT had before.

[Jodomar]

I think for those who are complaining about it should go and make a goli company. After that, you'll realize it's not that OP and you really a lot on your team mates.

[TheVolskinator]

FYI to everyone, you can make a 25 Goliath, KT, and 2 ostwind company off the bat and still afford plenty of volks/grens/whatever to overwhelm enemy companies. Did I mention this is a 0 game account? Those goliaths have a huge repay potential ,and all those pios = free capping squads for low pop. If they get attacked while capping, just rush the Horde at the attacker and watch it run away or blow the hell up.

[Mysthalin]

That's why we have left mouse buttons. Select/drag select/hockey and click attack.


Is the argument here that units don't do enough on their own?

The argument here is that even if you do that, you are bound by CoH law to stand in place with the unit you just told to shoot the goliath, as a move order + shitty priorities will cause the unit to switch back to shooting the super-dangerous no-upgrade pioneers instead.

[XIIcorps]

The argument here is that even if you do that, you are bound by CoH law to stand in place with the unit you just told to shoot the goliath, as a move order + shitty priorities will cause the unit to switch back to shooting the super-dangerous no-upgrade pioneers instead.

Exactly, yet the circular argument to this is L2 Micro.

I think were tilting at windmills here, goliaths will never be capped/nerfed and users will continue to abuse that fact.\

[rifle87654]

So are you buffing or tuning something to counter goliath or nerfing goliath?
Or just add a brand-new counter?

Change target priorities.
Nerf goliath.
Add a new ability that allies can send radio signals to detonate the goliath.

I prefer the first and the third.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Well honestly all you need to do is to add pool to them so they cant be spammed to death like they have with the Brits so you cant spam mines with sappers.

[Spartan_Marine88]

To be completely honest they now have a pop presence on the field. That is enough.

[hans]

Exactly, yet the circular argument to this is L2 Micro.

I think were tilting at windmills here, goliaths will never be capped/nerfed and users will continue to abuse that fact.\

dot

[Ahnungsloser]

Maybe we can add to the commando Triangulation Cheating System(TM) a option to hack the goliath to switch the owner of it or for more lulz just the control of it.

[chefarzt]

 a mix of anger and frustration= goliath in a nutshell