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[nikomas]

Even if you must call my micro skills into question by the way, I've seen the same thing when having the thing hulled down, so no range misscalc here.

Simply put, had to force it to fire.

[LeoPhone]

The sheer fact the Achillies suffers from the M10 missfire bug is enough to persuade me to stay away from it.

how pretty, more misinformation.

[XIIcorps]

how pretty, more misinformation.

You have proof its been resolved ?.

[LeoPhone]

lol, I'm the RGD lead. I know how the game works.

[NightRain]

lol, I'm the RGD lead. I know how the game works.

Isn't that the way religious people prove their facts? "I'm a priest, I know how it is" and thats it? Proof Leophone, provide it.

[LeoPhone]

lets not go down that path. this thread has enough fail as it is.

al tho, idea: whoever can't answer nightrains question by himself should stop posting in this thread. that might fix the fail.

[nikomas]

Leo, think here for a second, you're telling multiple people, some of them that are very good players, that the Achilles is not bugged and that they don't know how to use it.

I will bet my fucking shoe there's a targeting issue with this unit.

[LeoPhone]

all i see is a big fail thread where no one posts exactly what happens or any proof to back up what they say.

[NightRain]

all i see is a big fail thread where no one posts exactly what happens or any proof to back up what they say.

I see you doing the same thing. Proof leo, provide it. Prove us that the thing actually is fine.

[DarkSoldierX]

I see you doing the same thing. Proof leo, provide it. Prove us that the thing actually is fine.

So wheres the part that you prove that the thing isn't fine?

[nikomas]

all i see is a big fail thread where no one posts exactly what happens or any proof to back up what they say.

I'm pretty sure I listed the perceived issue earlier on, but here is th... Fuck it, I'll go get fraps and shove a vid in your faces, everyone in here can be quiet and shut up till then, we'll see if it's fine or not. Gimmi an hour or so.

[NightRain]

So wheres the part that you prove that the thing isn't fine?

I never claimed that something was wrong if you hadn't noticed. I'm only pointing out to Leo who is yelling fail thread and that it is fine so I'm asking him to prove how things are fine so that everyone happily nod their heads about.

[DarkSoldierX]

He can't fix something when he can't even see the problem.

[nikomas]

Have further testing and could youtube the video as I said, but it would be pretty unnecessary. AT targeting worked fine in the test we did, however, this is still a glaring issue here.

So this is a "Feature" of this unit as I've just heard, a feature I never knew about and man this is dumb! The people that made this decision and thought it was a brilliant idea should get thrown in a cold river, maybe they'll clear their heads a bit, why? If no bug does exist this is the exact reason for why so many are confused about this unit, disabling auto-search is downright idiotic.

1. This is not telegraphed in any way by the unit description or info, aside from what I heard was a really old thread.
2. It is inconsistent with common game knowledge, even marders with their 0.05 vs inf have autosearch. This WILL confuse players not aware of 1.

A lot of players use inf as markers for rangefinding, for example one might screen ahead with inf to see what the max range of an FF ahead is, or one might use enemy inf to know the max range of ones own FF. An example of what might have made this thread is...

"I think that tank is in range, that squad there is definitely in range as my other 40 range tank is shooting at it... Why isn't my Achilles shooting at anything!? Even if the tank is outside range the inf is not! This shit looks bugged, why ain't it firing!!?"

That's not player error but giving a unit a confusing, one off quirk no other tank I know of has without making it clear to the user.

[nikomas]

And if it really was to deal with the slow turret rotation being fucked up by inf? I have a much better idea that does not confuse anyone...

We have this mysterious ability ATG's and other units that you dont want shooting inf sometimes have... it's the strange, mysterious, mystical, HOLD.FIRE.BUTTON

It might not be the best idea, but it sure is better than fucking with autosearch.

[LeoPhone]

lol and there u go. This thread was done after the 2nd post:

it doesnt target infantry coz its turret turns rly slowly.

None of u kids managed to point out your achilles wasn't autotargetting infantry. and infantry only.
only QQ about "LEO IT NO WORK HONEST FIX PLS!" 

[Hicks58]

You know Leo, whether you are in the right or the wrong, that arrogant attitude of yours is starting to piss me off.

I don't know why you seem to think you have the right to speak like an absolute authority on any subject to do with the games code, but it's down right annoying. Not a single word can be put in for constructive debate while you're busy swinging your E-Peen around.

No other tank in the game fails to auto-target infantry. Not targeting infantry is a poor excuse for a "Fix" which may or may not even be necessary in the first place.

Niko pointed out some good reasons why even a piss poor AI tank can find auto-targeting infantry useful, but you'd rather be prideful about it than listen.

[NightRain]

You know Leo, whether you are in the right or the wrong, that arrogant attitude of yours is starting to piss me off.

I don't know why you seem to think you have the right to speak like an absolute authority on any subject to do with the games code, but it's down right annoying. Not a single word can be put in for constructive debate while you're busy swinging your E-Peen around.

No other tank in the game fails to auto-target infantry. Not targeting infantry is a poor excuse for a "Fix" which may or may not even be necessary in the first place.

Niko pointed out some good reasons why even a piss poor AI tank can find auto-targeting infantry useful, but you'd rather be prideful about it than listen.

Hicks is right. The arrogance point hit spot on.

[nikomas]

And let there be known, as it looks like there is no "Bug" I will gladly say I was wrong about that. However I'm suprised you were expecting people to take a well constructed and thought out line like

it doesnt target infantry coz its turret turns rly slowly.

This is still one of the worst and troll sounding explanations I've seen in a long time for someone I know actually knows English. If you were expecting people to understand what you meant from that you were expecting to much.

That unit is still a victim to a shitty design decision, and that is still an issue that should be fixed for reasons I have already listed.

[LeoPhone]

@hicks
this thread was fail to begin with, so I wasn't feeling like putting much effort into it anyway. We can try again next time.