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[Spartan_Marine88]

Try to remember when dealing with AMPM, that he is a just a little indoctrinated.

[Mysthalin]

Try to remember when dealing with AMPM, that he is a just a little indoctrinated.

I just imagine him striking a flamboyant pose at the back of a red pick-up truck, while wearing a stained wife-beater and a cape made from an american flag. A 6-pack of Budweiser and an AR-15 also enter the picture with no real difficulties.

[aeroblade56]

[brn4meplz]

It really depends on the type of torture. Lots of things fit the description. Obviously certain methods produce more reliable results then others.

Slicing someone open to cause pain will make them say whatever they think you want them to say. where as turning them into gibbering mashes with he mental capacity of a child doesn't have any effect on outward physical appearance it's still torture all the same.

I firmly believe that anything taken to the extreme can be detrimental. Things like swearing off Alcohol for life and things that that don;t make any sense to me.

So saying Torture is always bad doesn't make much sense either. It's certainly a moral dilemma on when to use it, and the decision shouldn't be made lightly.

[chefarzt]

How about ---->SUSPECTED<----- serial killers, bandits, or rapists? Is it fine to torture them, too?"

Yeah of course, just torture enough and u get whatever confession u want. And u turn them into exactly the people u suspected them to be.
Reason places like Guantanamo arent shut down by now is that nobody knows what to do  with the suicide bombers created there.

[nikomas]

Yeah of course, just torture enough and u get whatever confession u want. And u turn them into exactly the people u suspected them to be.
Reason places like Guantanamo arent shut down by now is that nobody knows what to do  with the suicide bombers created there.

Haha, I kinda agree with... CHEFARZT!?

[DarkSoldierX]

How so? Dictatorships are not democratic institutions. Why would popular opinion matter in such countries concerning the death penalty?

... Because I was referring to

a democratic nation with relatively little corruption

and the question was thus answered.

[8thRifleRegiment]

saw movie, movie was shit, unimpressed, try again another day western media and propaganda, you failed to convert this russian on this day

[Jodomar]

Well actually north America has a history of thousands of years just not with the United States. And technically Europe doesn't have any one country that's thousands of years old anyways.

Torture to me holds more of a satisfaction factor to it then anything. It just feels good knowing that someone who has made trespasses against you is feeling never ending pain. There are certain crimes that killing the person alone just doesn't do justice to what has been committed. For instance the doctors family who's wife was raped then tied down along with the children. Then they poured gas all over and lit them on fire. To me rotting in jail or a quick death just does not satisfy me. These people need to be tortured repeatedly for years until they finally succumb to their own wounds.

People from other regions in the world will always see things differently from one other. Hell even in the states people are completely different from one region to the next, so I doubt we will ever agree. It doesn't make one statement true over the other, it's just what we believe in.

[chefarzt]

So your little story out of the "Hillbilly Tribune" justifies abducting and torturing  hundreds or thousands of SUSPECTS in US concentration camps worldwide? Should at least put up ur Guantanamos and the like on ur own turf, California for example.

http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/whos_a_terrorist.htm

[Sachaztan]

Well actually north America has a history of thousands of years just not with the United States. And technically Europe doesn't have any one country that's thousands of years old anyways.

Torture to me holds more of a satisfaction factor to it then anything. It just feels good knowing that someone who has made trespasses against you is feeling never ending pain. There are certain crimes that killing the person alone just doesn't do justice to what has been committed. For instance the doctors family who's wife was raped then tied down along with the children. Then they poured gas all over and lit them on fire. To me rotting in jail or a quick death just does not satisfy me. These people need to be tortured repeatedly for years until they finally succumb to their own wounds.

People from other regions in the world will always see things differently from one other. Hell even in the states people are completely different from one region to the next, so I doubt we will ever agree. It doesn't make one statement true over the other, it's just what we believe in.

Just so that you know Jodomar, torture is currently not used as a punishment in the US. Or anywhere else in the world for what I know.

[PonySlaystation]

Torture to me holds more of a satisfaction factor to it then anything. It just feels good knowing that someone who has made trespasses against you is feeling never ending pain. There are certain crimes that killing the person alone just doesn't do justice to what has been committed. For instance the doctors family who's wife was raped then tied down along with the children. Then they poured gas all over and lit them on fire. To me rotting in jail or a quick death just does not satisfy me. These people need to be tortured repeatedly for years until they finally succumb to their own wounds.

But if torture was the horrible part then is the solution to torture more people? When someone dies that person loses his opportunity to live but more importantly his friends and relatives will be sad and upset. Is the solution then to kill more people so that even more people get sad and upset?

By thinking that some people deserve to die because of their beliefs or actions then you have the exact same mindset as the perpetrators who committed the crime that you described as so horrible. Most people learn at a very early age when they were playing with other children in the sandbox that if I hit this kid with my shovel then he will feel pain, just like I don't want to be hit with the shovel. Not understanding this concept makes you a psychopath.

But they were guilty are you're not? Well, they obviously thought someone else was guilty and the result was the crime. Just like if your ideas were put in practice there would be more crimes or is torture and murder legal and acceptable when it's done by the government?

In the case of the death penalty, keeping highly unstable individuals in prison costs a lot of money. In the case of torture to obtain sensitive information it can be necessary to obtain tactical information, especially in times of crisis and war, no country is going to pass up their opportunity to obtain tactical information that could potentially save hundreds of lives. The only counterargument is then that torture as a mean to obtain information is generally ineffective.

But murder and torture for no other purpose than revenge is very much like the cruel and inhumane reasons for why the crime was committed in the first place. Your idea of satisfaction is the same as criminals feel when they execute someone who in their mind deserves to die. The only distinct difference between you and a criminal is that you're passive. You don't have willpower to act, a coward.

[Jodomar]

You don't have to agree with it, but that's my belief. I'm not going to torture someone because of their belief system but If they did something so egregious against another, then I'm all for it. I'm not trying to convince from your beliefs but mine are pretty solid and will remain so.

[Sachaztan]

You don't have to agree with it, but that's my belief. I'm not going to torture someone because of their belief system but If they did something so egregious against another, then I'm all for it. I'm not trying to convince from your beliefs but mine are pretty solid and will remain so.

What if someone thought you did something so egregious against another and proceeded to torture you to death? How do you get to decide what would make some deserve such a fate?

I mean, if you were ever put into a situation where you could torture someone to death because of your ideals and beliefs, would you even stop to consider questions like these?

[Jodomar]

I could ask you the same thing? What if someone hacked and raped your family to bits putting it on video tape then the internet for all to see while doing humiliating things to the body parts? You might just change your mind or maybe not that's for you to decide. For me? I would never do anything to constitute such a punishment, because my Ideas may be rash but I am not as a person.

[aeroblade56]

I used to torture the shit out of my pillow when i was smaller.

Gave that bitch a roundhousekicktotheface.

[Sachaztan]

I could ask you the same thing? What if someone hacked and raped your family to bits putting it on video tape then the internet for all to see while doing humiliating things to the body parts? You might just change your mind or maybe not that's for you to decide. For me? I would never do anything to constitute such a punishment, because my Ideas may be rash but I am not as a person.

It is much like the difference between manslaughter and premeditated murder.

I do not know what I would do or what I would think if something like that happened to me, no one could. But for someone to say that he is perfectly ok with torturing someone to death without anything remotely similar happening to him...not only to be ok with it, but to actually get satisfaction out of it? That's on a whole other level of fucked up.

I am making a few assumptions here though. I am assuming that what you write on the internet accurately reflects how you actually are IRL and I am also assuming that nothing remotely similar has ever happened to you. But if my assumptions are true then...seriously Jodomar?? Is this really how you think?

[Jodomar]

You wouldn't want to know the things that flow through my mind.

"When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that person is crazy."

[Vermillion_Hawk]

When a problem comes along, you must whip it?

[Sachaztan]

When a problem comes along, you must whip it?

It isn't often you make me smile, but this was one of those moments