gurlz,
well i only read the first pages and after that only punctiolly but it was enough to understand whats going on here.
just to make some things clear.
niko if you talking about this
So glad my town is all Catholic, no fags allowed!
then i need to tell you that i dont see a personal offense to anyone. using "fags" for gays is not nice, but i dont see a personal attack. its neither an offense nor an argument - its a statement in harsh words.
what i see is alpha calling me a faggot for having another opinion than her.
Marriage, what is that? Marriage was there long before the bible. It was the official announcement to the community that two people are allowed to have sex with eachother. And as all men are, they like if they know that their "wife" belongs only to them and never followed another men. The virginity was nothing else than a prove, that she never had another men in her life. Homosexuals compared to that didnt need a marriage - no hymen destroyed when they practiced sex - no child from another men is going to be born after a cheat on their partner.
So from a cultural point of view, it clearly describes Man and Woman starting a family. Looking from an evolutionary point was the marriage a good deal for both genders. In the past the alphamale had his harem and mainly only he could make offsprings. In return for the children, the women received protection and food for their children. However the other males in the group didnt had the privileg to have as many children as the alpha male. When the tasks became more complex and the alpha male needed to rely on other males, they of course wanted a payment - women. So rules were needed which woman belong to who?
This was when monogamy was born. The woman gurantees that the children are only from her man and she gets protection and food - good deal for both. This is how it started.
Now when the groups began to become bigger, there was an official announcement needed, to make everybody clear that this man and woman belong together and no one else should intervene. That was the contract on which our modern society was build up, That was a wedding!!!
Lets have a historical overview on homosexuality in different cultures.
-For Greeks and Romans it was quite normal to be homosexual.
-Japanese Warrior nobility went in their childhood to another older Samurai to be taught by them. When they reached puberty, they usually started a homosexual affair with their teacher.
ALL these 3 cultures accepted homosexuality, mainly because they have seen women very bad. But for all of these cultures it was normal to also have children with their wife.
Lets draw a comparison to the modern homosexuality.
Woman have, thank god, a far better position in society. Homosexualty is in many western nations at least tollerated. But also they dont have the same rights, like marriage, adopting or tax benefits.
The difference between the old homosexuality and the modern one is that the old still raised children TOGETHER WITH A WOMAN. The modern homosexuality is a Lifestyle, a subculture, which is based on a sexual orientation.
!!!This subculture is the main point why people have issues with homosexuals!!!
You can see this subculture at many places and this disturbs many Man. As i have shown in my first post is no one born as "gay", even if you have a genetic consteallation which promotes it, you still have a massive cultural impact and a choice of being "gay" or not.
So having a culture arround prople which promotes homosexuality can make the difference on a persons choice of being homosexual or not. Usually few "homosexuals" become after a certain time in that subcultre straight.
We should not forget that a group gives us a frame, where we get attention, respect, recognition and new ideas. So things that each human needs. Usually these groups are build arround activities like rugby, boxing or working. We mostly choose our partners from these groups and so due to the fact that all humans need love, recognition etc. is it quite hard to leave these groups dependent on how much you get from them.
This homosexual subculture is in that concern special. Because of the fact that the group identity is based on their sexual orientation and the activites arise from that.
Considering the facts mentioned above, it is quite comprehensible why many man react bad to gay marriage. Not because two humans love eachother or having sex with eachother, but because of the culture which is celebrated arround it and find its expression in clothing, parades and a certain nightlife.
My Opinion:
I can only speak for germany and how our society should be. I have the right to have ideas how our society should be, cause i spend since my 8.th class each afternoon in school to support children from less educated families for free and i taught at an elementary school sports, cause most of the children there couldnt effort a sportsclub. I have done something for the society, i had responsibility and i earned the right, to say my opinion how it should be.
"Gays" should not get married in germany. For the following reasons:
- respect to the traditions. Marriage was for centuries between Man and Woman. It should stay like that.
- homosexual subculture can capture young man in homosexuality. Guys who would usually kiss a nice blond girl. You can tell me whatever you want, but theres nothing more beautiful in the world than the face of a girl in love. No matter what "gays" tell you, that they find man more attractive, the real estethic of the world is expressed in woman, even for a homosexual.
- Germans are a pack. And here go a bit deeper in our culture:
There are few things that germans have in common but these 4 things they are all doing.
1.believe in justice: in the one true way how it really was. Quite nice to observe in trials, cause germans ahve the strange behaviour to trust the state and the institution, that found out THE truth.
(by the way: if you negotiate with a german: argue with justice and you get a yes)
2.altruism: For any strange reasons the majority of germans tendens to work for others for no adequate reward (often without). 2 very obvious examples of this are: When Father and me build our first Waterpowerplant we needed some spare parts so we asked the farmer if he had these, we couldnt go away cause we were working with a crane, he didnt had the needed Parts. But he went away getting them and sold us them for the original price. And the other example is that you hear from each generation of germans the same sentence. "Our children shall have it better" even though they had a good life.
3. Drinking find a pub that isnt crowded
4. complaining: germans love to complain
these 4 attributes are what makes you german.
The whole german state is designed to these attribute and is set up on these. So everyone is strongly impaired by pack, but also benefits strongly from it.
The best example is our pensionsystem: the younger ones pay to the old ones, so that they have money to live, this works as long as you have at least 2 children per couple. But homosexuals dont get any children! But they receive the advantages from it!!! If they can marry they have to pay less taxes, they get pension, they get healthcare advantages.
