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[Scotzmen]

Why should the 88 be able to deal with both infantry and AT at the same time, with a massive range and massive firepower?

If you need it to have an AI ability to use it, then you are soooooo using it wrong.

It's area denial, for keeping pesky allied tanks from destroying your lovely small elite infantry squads. It's not meant to be do-it-all weapon.

Fuck, imagine if 25 pounders could fire directly at axis tanks. You wouldn't like that so much now would you

[XIIcorps]

Why should the 88 be able to deal with both infantry and AT at the same time, with a massive range and massive firepower?

If you need it to have an AI ability to use it, then you are soooooo using it wrong.

It's area denial, for keeping pesky allied tanks from destroying your lovely small elite infantry squads. It's not meant to be do-it-all weapon.

Fuck, imagine if 25 pounders could fire directly at axis tanks. You wouldn't like that so much now would you

Or if 17 pdrs had HE Rounds.

every unit needs to have a pro and con.

Static units generally have high a defense, rof, range or low pop costs

Trade off for being immobile.

You want a mobile 88 use a tiger

[clonetroopers]

TIGERS HAVE FUCKING HE SHELLS

[Scotzmen]

I can't remember whether they get it default or doctrine. But either way

A tiger can only be taken once. It can be killed by most ATG's and AT weapons. It has average range and above average damage. Average accuracy too and it moves.

The 88 on the other hand is immobile, massive range, massive damage to everything, it even has amazing accuracy over long range. You can get as many too your hearts desire too. Can't be killed easily in frontal assaults and is only relatively kill able by any form of artillery or mortars. But arty can be unpredictable in where it's shells land.

And another thing, if you decide to type in caps lock and swear whilst trying to DISCUSS a balance issue, then this probably isn't the best place for you.

[Hicks58]

TIGERS HAVE FUCKING HE SHELLS

Sorry, must have overlooked the Tiger having 100 range and 225 damage (That's what the 88 has, for comparison the Tiger/Pershing have 40 range and 137.5 damage, with medium tanks having 87.5 damage)...

The level of stupidity in this thread is frankly toxic.

The 88 is fine in EiRR, it's very well balanced and it does what it is supposed to do. There is no balance issue to talk about.

Also, people that think the 88 should have strong AI seem to realise we pulled the 88's previously existing AI capabilities for good reason. It killed everything it saw, and from massive range. A well positioned 88 could kill half an infantry attack before it even got close to the 88's support with it's old infantry accuracy.

Oh, and the closest thing to a mobile 88 in the game at the moment (Non-reward) would be the KT. High damage, high pen, high acc vs armour.

[Tymathee]

TBH, the arty 88 was fine until someone made its range longer than the AT Range and made its accuracy too precise, before then it was 3 inaccurate shots and you had to be within 88 AT Range to fire.

[Hicks58]

88 Arty was doing something a doctrine should ideally never do, and that's make a unit capable of doing something it couldn't do in the first place. Such as making an explicitly AT piece capable of competent AI.

[NightRain]

The only reason 88 should have small decency versus infantry is because of its high pop of 8, role as a area of denial and it is immobile.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Tbh i think that instead of talking about balance now people should rather wait for the next patch and then QQ all over the forum about how this balance team fucked up and how we need to bring back the old doctrines which were super balanced.

[Shabtajus]

now people should rather wait for the next patch

lol

[TheIcelandicManiac]

I know that Soon™ is considerd endless but for fucks sake if luci aint gonna allow its upload soon™ they are better off just waiting for coh2 instead and start work on it like OMG mod did.

[Tymathee]

88 Arty was doing something a doctrine should ideally never do, and that's make a unit capable of doing something it couldn't do in the first place. Such as making an explicitly AT piece capable of competent AI.

i agree, just saying it wasn't OP until it could fire past its normal range, then everybody started using it. Before then, i think only me and a few others used it on the norm.

[Scotzmen]

Can we honestly close this thread now? I think we have ascertained that the 88 is fine in it's current state. Not that i have any place to say this as I'm less skilled than most.

[ick312]

everyone who says its good as it is, use it without omniscience

[Mysthalin]

I like the 88. My volks with nades and fausts have always enjoyed the long-range AT fire support.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

What has happend of you myst?
You have been gone so long people have forgotten the powers of the mysthalin doctrine and some say its only a tale dragged out of the ass of the old ones.

[Mysthalin]

EiRR is stagnant, stale and thus boring and I have plenty enough stuff to do IRL, lol.

[Shabtajus]

and why it become stagnant  

but soonTM it will be alive again

nope LOL

[Hicks58]

everyone who says its good as it is, use it without omniscience

This statement entertains me, because I've never used an 88 WITH Omni. Had other buffs I've considered worth it, effective use of scouts and your units can do what Omni already does just with a bit more need for player awareness.

[Shabtajus]

but hicks u was allways beated to death with ur 88s just saying 


prolly Mysth used and sometimes Speedy used 88s good, rest were just ultra faill wannabes