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[aeroblade56]

sum evidence just in one game of the AVRES true power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYIxUI6KGKA

[TheWindCriesMary]

Argh, and to think this could have been prevented months ago...

[aeroblade56]

preventative measures dont matter wind

[tank130]

Why are you using the AVRE to shot at moving infantry?

The shot on the ATG looks  like it missed and blew the shit out of the building.

[CommieKiller]

Why are you using the AVRE to shot at moving infantry?

The shot on the ATG looks  like it missed and blew the shit out of the building.

oh so avre should do 0 dmg to moving units?
learning something everyday!

[brn4meplz]

I killed 8 grens earlier(Single Shot) decrewed some Pak's and cleared 2 buildings.

The AVRE does it's job against defenses. It's just not very flexible in that role. Thats what people want.

[aeroblade56]

I killed 8 grens earlier(Single Shot) decrewed some Pak's and cleared 2 buildings.

The AVRE does it's job against defenses. It's just not very flexible in that role. Thats what people want.

No we want it to do its job properly and effectively if you watch the video the storms were supressed prior to the avre shot.

Also the ATG shot it still hit relatively close to the target. if that was a howitzer the unit would be dead or a goliath or a stuh. the fact that the AVRE shot hit behind the guns direction yellow cover shield and didnt kill a single guy is silly.

It shouldnt matter if it moves 1/10 of a inch in any direction if the shell lands near it, it should be dead.

[XIIcorps]

No we want it to do its job properly and effectively if you watch the video the storms were supressed prior to the avre shot.

Also the ATG shot it still hit relatively close to the target. if that was a howitzer the unit would be dead or a goliath or a stuh. the fact that the AVRE shot hit behind the guns direction yellow cover shield and didnt kill a single guy is silly.

It shouldnt matter if it moves 1/10 of a inch in any direction if the shell lands near it, it should be dead.

+1

[brn4meplz]

All ATGs except for the Brit's ATG have a green cover shield, not yellow cover. The yellow cover in the video was from the crater that the ATG was in. Also, yellow cover is never direction, only green cover has a direction.

Not true. Fences are Yellow and directional.

Craters are the only non directional cover aside from Buildings and garrison. (bushes too maybe, but I'm not 100% on that one)

[Mysthalin]

I'd personally like the AVRE to at least do better than a 2-inch mortar at the role of anti-infantry support. Is that really so much to ask?

[XIIcorps]

I'd personally like the AVRE to at least do better than a 2-inch mortar at the role of anti-infantry support. Is that really so much to ask?

But myst that ruins persistancy

[Mysthalin]

I guess you're right.

Petition to replace all artilery with greyhound shells to encourage persistency?

[NightRain]

I guess you're right.

Petition to replace all artilery with greyhound shells to encourage persistency?

Signed.

[Hicks58]

I guess you're right.

Petition to replace all artilery with greyhound shells to encourage persistency?

Sorry Myst, we couldn't have that on the grounds of it breaking balance...

After all, a Greyhound shell might still kill a Volksgrenadier.

[TheWindCriesMary]

Of course it's perfectly fine for howitzer/wespe/hummel/25pdr/priest shells and goliaths and most offmap rounds to have no problem annihilating infantry that move or are slightly outside the short/mid range distance of the shell.... but the AVRE? OH LAWD NO WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!

We need to have it so that anyone stupid or crazy enough to buy a big, slow, doctrine unlocked tank with a hefty recharge also has to be a damn Zeus sniper every time they fire that slow-speed, slow turret, long aim time weapon.

God forbid it should reliably annihilate anything near its target with the same reliability of half a dozen similar explosions in the game.

[XIIcorps]

Of course it's perfectly fine for howitzer/wespe/hummel/25pdr/priest shells and goliaths and most offmap rounds to have no problem annihilating infantry that move or are slightly outside the short/mid range distance of the shell.... but the AVRE? OH LAWD NO WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!

We need to have it so that anyone stupid or crazy enough to buy a big, slow, doctrine unlocked tank with a hefty recharge also has to be a damn Zeus sniper every time they fire that slow-speed, slow turret, long aim time weapon.

God forbid it should reliably annihilate anything near its target with the same reliability of half a dozen similar explosions in the game.

We make this arguement on a weekly basis but it just falls of deaf ears.

I do not, can not and will not understand the nerf to the avre

[TheWindCriesMary]

Because every time we make it we have Alpha derail the topic with inane statements that are directly contradictory to how the game actually works.

Then we get lol statements from people like "we made the AVRE crap because of imaginary design principles I just pulled out of my ass but.... we also didn't nerf it. We made it better!... and no we didn't test it in an actual EiR game type environment first or afterward to see if our changes were smart or necessary. HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST WE DO THAT! You ungrateful goons!!!"

[Hicks58]

Wind, the AVRE will be one of the issues we address with the next RGD patch that we release. We saw it the last half a dozen times you've said it, and I dare say we'll keep seeing it.

However, you ARE crusading on a matter that is already being dealt with. Find another unit to engage your crusade upon, and bring it to attention. This one's already in the spotlight.

[TheWindCriesMary]

Lol, just because I argued with you over one point ages ago doesn't mean I wasn't wanting or trying to help the AVRE change.

No you tried to argue over half a dozen points despite not understanding at all, how the game works. And the worst part is you don't just do that when talking about the AVRE (a unit you never use and have never properly understood the mechanics of in terms of its damage, how its damage works and in particular how it affects units in buildings etc.)... you do it all the imaginary-god damned time.

It's the exact same thing you do in almost every balance thread in the history of your time here. It's that thing where you say something that is flat out wrong and then 4-5 other people have to explain why what you said was wrong and then you go "oooops lol! my bad!" and then proceed to say 2-3 other NEW things that are equally as stupid like it's no big deal... despite the fact that you've wasted everyone's time filling an important thread with your inane ideas. Hell, you even did it in this thread. If I had a dime for every time in the past month alone that you've said something just plain wrong in a balance thread that was immediately shown to be so... I'd be a millionare.


So if you can just do everyone a favour who is actually trying to have an intelligent conversation: please shut the fuck up once in a while. If you've got something you think is true, ask someone like Mysthalin or Hicks if it's right maybe. Do something. Because at this point you'd think someone who has said so many stupid things as you would be really, really hesitant before making any "statements of fact" based on "what you think you know" again.

We're not here to babysit you.

Wind, the AVRE will be one of the issues we address with the next RGD patch that we release....

However, you ARE crusading on a matter that is already being dealt with. Find another unit to engage your crusade upon, and bring it to attention. This one's already in the spotlight.

Hicks you know I have infinitely more faith in you than past BT leads... but you're going to have to allow that I've heard the old "don't worry, we're fixing the AVRE... honest. Trust us, the BT on the case!" before and it is not, historically speaking, a statement that has proven itself to be reassuring.

I think you may change all that, but that's why the AVRE justice league is not taking any chances all the same. Don't forget just getting the AVRE to be recognized took a herculean effort from 4-5 people. It took us dozens of posts spread across half a dozen threads over the course of 4+ months and only just recently, despite all that effort, has it been officially acknowledged that we were right. This despite the fact that we were told everything from "AVRE is fine" to "you just dont understand our vision" to "how dare you question the BT/BT Lead's decisions" before it finally evolved, when you took over (thankfully), to "Ok we understand the AVRE needs to be fixed and we're working on it".



Now finally we've managed to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we were right... but one thing about it taking that much effort to prove the obvious is that it makes you distrustful that anything else will be easy. So just to make sure we keep mentioning the AVRE so that it doesn't just fade into oblivion and get forgotten. That's what happened after the disastrous nerf to it back in the fall: back then no one used it so no one spoke out about it and it just vanished from EIR altogether. That's why we keep mentioning it now, so that doesn't happen again.

[TheWindCriesMary]

Anyway, i do also say many things which are correct you know, it's just 50/50 chance for me, and that is better than most people lol.

If you're at 50/50 (and quite frankly that is a VERY generous self-appraisal), that still means half the things you say are misinformed bullshit statements that clutter up the balance forum and derail threads by forcing people to demonstrate why you're wrong half the time you post something.

It just wastes everyone's time and clogs up potentially useful conversations.