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ick312 Offline
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« on: December 02, 2013, 10:55:33 am »

well i thought i was nuts,

p4 and sherman cost both 400 manpower and 260 fuel (upgraded with skirts or upgun). Both have 600 HP both deal 88 damage, both 40 range. Both have same accuracy tables vs infantry. But they have different penetration tables - Why??? How is this justified? Both cost the same.
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2013, 11:00:37 am »

Have you noticed that, say, the skirts provide a substantial boost against handheld AT? Actually, it reduced incomming damage from tanks by 10% unless I'm horribly mistaken.

A skirted IV can fight bazookas with relative ease (bar tank reapers), a sherman has to stay the heck out of shreck range or die horribly.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2013, 11:03:56 am »

Have you noticed that, say, just MAYBE, MAYBE the skirts provide a MASSIVE boost against handheld AT?

A skirted IV can fight bazookas with relative ease (bar tank reapers), a sherman has to stay the heck out of shreck range or die horribly.

certainly: 11% for bazooka and 25% rrs

you seem to be right about those -10% damage but it doesnt apply for m10 and hellcat

but wouldnt it be fair if this modifier would apply for m10 and hellcat too?
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2013, 11:10:13 am »

Did you ever stop to consider for a moment that these two medium tanks end up specialising in different roles after upgrades?

Upgun allows the Sherman to reliably engage medium armour and assault guns.

Skirts allows the PzIV to reliably engage HHAT, especially bazookas. The 10% damage reduction gives it more survivability vs Shermans even after upgunning, due to it moving from 7 shots to 8 shots to score a kill.

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2013, 11:15:55 am »

Did you ever stop to consider for a moment that these two medium tanks end up specialising in different roles after upgrades?

Upgun allows the Sherman to reliably engage medium armour and assault guns.

Skirts allows the PzIV to reliably engage HHAT, especially bazookas. The 10% damage reduction gives it more survivability vs Shermans even after upgunning, due to it moving from 7 shots to 8 shots to score a kill.

dear hicks312 i am shocked that u can make apost  with offending someone.
yes i considered it. That was why i was so shocked that they have the same accuracy tables. That a tank basically keeps his AI role but adds an anti tank role
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2013, 11:16:21 am »

Missed another bit, I'm just going to leave this here and let anyone interested figure it out... Hint, damage multiplier and it's quite substantial.

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2013, 11:22:57 am »

dear hicks312 i am shocked that u can make apost  with offending someone.
yes i considered it. That was why i was so shocked that they have the same accuracy tables. That a tank basically keeps his AI role but adds an anti tank role

I'm shocked that a tank can keep it's AT role, but adds an anti HHAT role.

See how that works?

Also refer to Niko's screenshots above for damage modifiers against HHAT.
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2013, 12:34:51 pm »

Ah the axis fanboys.
Cant live with them, Would love to live without them.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2013, 12:52:11 pm »

And one reason why StuG is still more reliable at multiroling than P4. P4 is in comparison a bastard child no one wants to use, even its silly uncle the IST gets more booty than P4 hahaha.
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2013, 04:30:23 pm »

And one reason why StuG is still more reliable at multiroling than P4. P4 is in comparison a bastard child no one wants to use, even its silly uncle the IST gets more booty than P4 hahaha.
p4 blitz bottom t4 is a menace, almost insta supresses inf at range, combine this with blitz abilty and double p4s mop the field.
Stugs yes can do the same but have far less hp or a turret.
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2013, 05:03:00 am »

does stug ambush still grant the hetzer ambush?
if so you guys should know that with the ambus+stug damage modifier vs Sherman armour + vet 3 makes for a troll of a Sherman hunter.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2013, 05:10:55 am »

does stug ambush still grant the hetzer ambush?
if so you guys should know that with the ambus+stug damage modifier vs Sherman armour + vet 3 makes for a troll of a Sherman hunter.

shitload of stugs vet 3 arround
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2013, 05:14:15 am »

do that shit then, it's even more fun that using hetzer infarot as a sniper hunter.
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