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[Hicks58]

We could improve it's combat performance, but then what'd be the point of buying a Croc?

What then, do we improve the Croc to then make that worth it in comparison to the MK VI?

Alternatively, we could make the MK VI do what the MK IV was originally supposed to do. Be a cheap brick that can whack infantry and vehicles that wander too close.

[nikomas]

You don't get it, they want it to be a total, all purpose replacement for the cromwell 

[XIIcorps]

You don't get it, they want it to be a total, all purpose replacement for the cromwell 

your somewhat correct nikomas.
seeing its a bleeding tier 2 unlock and has two t3s designed around it.
but in its current state it does nothing the cromwell cant do better besides die.

 If im going to unlock the fucking thing I expect to be better then a vanilla unit.

[XIIcorps]

We could improve it's combat performance, but then what'd be the point of buying a Croc?

What then, do we improve the Croc to then make that worth it in comparison to the MK VI?

Alternatively, we could make the MK VI do what the MK IV was originally supposed to do. Be a cheap brick that can whack infantry and vehicles that wander too close.

the mk6 will never outshine tbe croc in AI abilities.
The croc has a working tank shock, and a flamer that microwaves kraut infantry. Plus its turret gun occasionally snipes inf.

The mk6 however relies soley on its 75mm which is mediocre at best. Tbh royal engiees need some offensive nuffs for tanks. Why these arr all rca buffd is beyond me, a doctrine designed around arty offmaps and inf.

[Shabtajus]

We could improve it's combat performance, but then what'd be the point of buying a Croc?

What then, do we improve the Croc to then make that worth it in comparison to the MK VI?

But its the point  of eirr. U guys making op units and we spam em to death. Than qq starts. U nerf dat unit and making other op unit... and story goes on and on. Forums get threads and posts. Devs get work. So everybody has job and keeps eirr alive.


So for conclusion i say make mk op as fuck to maake eirr ball rolling

[Shabtajus]

Etc give it overdrive and ability dropp offmap of captain foo. Also add ability insta pinn infajtry using tank shoci in like 30m around tank plus stunned rounds and make it cost like panther

[Shabtajus]

Ahhh also i forgot to mention i am avalable to replace balance team members to make eirr epic mod or i cam post my great sugesstions here 1 post 1 tiger ace.

Ur call tank130

[GrayWolf]

the mk6 will never outshine tbe croc in AI abilities.
The croc has a working tank shock, and a flamer that microwaves kraut infantry. Plus its turret gun occasionally snipes inf.

The mk6 however relies soley on its 75mm which is mediocre at best. Tbh royal engiees need some offensive nuffs for tanks. Why these arr all rca buffd is beyond me, a doctrine designed around arty offmaps and inf.

Maybe..... JUST maybe..... Croc is tier 3 unlock and cost more and takes more pop. Well I can be all wrong, but still......

[ick312]

The mk6 however relies soley on its 75mm which is mediocre at best. Tbh royal engiees need some offensive nuffs for tanks. Why these arr all rca buffd is beyond me, a doctrine designed around arty offmaps and inf.

i disagree on your opinion of the mk 6. But what you say about RE  offensive buffs and RCA is somehow true.

[XIIcorps]

Maybe..... JUST maybe..... Croc is tier 3 unlock and cost more and takes more pop. Well I can be all wrong, but still......

Yeh cool sarcasim bro.

Yes the croc costs 2 pop and 120fu more but that's the same as a StuG and a PZ4.

With the right Doctrine choices a Stug is capable of doing everything a p4 does for cheaper.

My argument is that a MK6 costs more then a Cromwell and yet underperforms compared to it, and how would you put it Alphagreytigwolf ?
Maybe..... Just Maybe...... MK6 is a T2 unlock and costs 40mp and 60fu more. Well I can be all wrong but still.....

[XIIcorps]

i disagree on your opinion of the mk 6. But what you say about RE  offensive buffs and RCA is somehow true.

You show me a video of a MK6 doing something amazing and ill show you one where a Cromwell does twice as good, CROC three times as good

[aeroblade56]

A cromwell is way more consistent kill wise than a mk6.

For the damage soak arguement.

Why would you take a 12 pop unit(+2CCT) to soak damage?.

When you could take a, avre 8 pop with the potential to knockout a support weapon in a much more timely manner.

The 6 pop difference is enough to give you a officer with foo thus increasing you're chances of knocking out more support weapons.

The croc in comparison to a mk6 is deffirent. it has almost tiger health with the ability to perform without a CCT since the flamethrower on that thing has lul range and it does not buff it.

aside from the health difference and 2 forms of AI it can also come with a working tank shock if that's what you want.





For comparison you can have 3 crocs, 5 mk6 or 7 cromwells.

Keep in mind the cromwell is available to all CW coys

Now if we compare some things about the cromwell to a mk6


Mk6 has some 65+ more hp than the cromwell

Mk6 has loads better armor than the cromwell.

mk6 seems to pretty reliably penetrate p4's.


The cromwell has
 
Cromwell has way superior speed

Cromwell has the ability to picks it's fights

Cromwell has the ability to escape most fights

The cromwell has the ability to crush reliably

Cromwell has tank commander. thus doesnt need the CCT as much as the mk6.

cromwell cost less in terms of fuel/mp/armor pool/doctrine points/ but cost more in munitions if you get commander)

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Also the environment it's in is quite different. you have these heavy and what not  JT/JP/Elefant/TA/maus/KT

a cromwell like i said has the ability to choose it's battles pretty well you get caught in the open with a mk6 you will probably lose it. you get caught in the open with a cromwell you can outrun everything very well.

it's 4AM deal with it.

[NightRain]

Mobility and Sight range > Armor and health.

Everyone remembers old Chaffee right? With Speed you can pick fights, with sight you can kite some targets. Strike when they are distracted. Sure Cromwell's gun isn't a firefly nor 76mm gun. It is cromwell's weakpoint. Its armor isn't great either but such is the cost of mobility.

Churchill is a weird child, it is good against handheld yet medicore against anything else. Its ability to work as a spearhead sounds neat but it would die quickly either way. After one full engagement it has to repair and if that engagement fails it might as well die in the process. It is still a chunk of fuel and anything that kills it most likely paid itself back while churchill might of done nothing useful in return. It is a tank I do not really recommend anyone to get and regardless of it whole RSE doc is a lackluster.

Does steel wall t3 doctrine affect allies? I haven't noticed that it has any kind of symbol to show that they are affected. If it does work, churchill can work as that steel wall and support infantry like big fat captain that has a bigger pistol.

[XIIcorps]

Mobility and Sight range > Armor and health.

Everyone remembers old Chaffee right? With Speed you can pick fights, with sight you can kite some targets. Strike when they are distracted. Sure Cromwell's gun isn't a firefly nor 76mm gun. It is cromwell's weakpoint. Its armor isn't great either but such is the cost of mobility.

Churchill is a weird child, it is good against handheld yet medicore against anything else. Its ability to work as a spearhead sounds neat but it would die quickly either way. After one full engagement it has to repair and if that engagement fails it might as well die in the process. It is still a chunk of fuel and anything that kills it most likely paid itself back while churchill might of done nothing useful in return. It is a tank I do not really recommend anyone to get and regardless of it whole RSE doc is a lackluster.

Does steel wall t3 doctrine affect allies? I haven't noticed that it has any kind of symbol to show that they are affected. If it does work, churchill can work as that steel wall and support infantry like big fat captain that has a bigger pistol.

Everyone keeps saying that churchill armor is good vs hhat. I know the stats say this but they really neglect to include that we are at the end meta game, and nearly every doctrine buffs schrecks in one way or another.
Fausts are about the only thing ive seen bounce.

Yes churchill has more hp then other tanks tho only 60 odd more

[nikomas]

Everyone keeps saying that churchill armor is good vs hhat. I know the stats say this but they really neglect to include that we are at the end meta game, and nearly every doctrine buffs schrecks in one way or another.
Fausts are about the only thing ive seen bounce.

Yes churchill has more hp then other tanks tho only 60 odd more

Please, elaborate