aeroblade56
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« on: March 12, 2014, 08:28:37 pm » |
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dearest gentleman, and gentleman. and alphtig.
So whilst i was venturing in the meadows of gameplay i was wondering to myself isn't the jumbo useless now?.
Range Damage Speed Health accel
Jumbo 40 87.5 4.5 736 1.4
tiger 45 137.5 5 1200 2
panther 47.5 137.5 5.2 742 2.5
What reason is there to take a jumbo at all?.
they are severly outranged by both the tiger and panther which is what we see 85% of the time these days.
It has no upgun it
It is slower than both tiger and panther.
It has worse accel than the tiger and panther.
It has way worse range than tiger or panther.
It is doctrinal and can not receive 2x repairs.(huge bonus)
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Now comparing a heavy tank to a tank destroyer seems silly since it's what the panther is meant to do is kill tanks.
But the panther has received a accuracy buff to it's tank killing abilities making it a effective infantry sniper.
and again is available to all(including PE) axis factions, not just 1 doctrine making the unit all that more effective since you are likely to see way more.
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Hicks58
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2014, 08:57:43 pm » |
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I wasn't aware that the Jumbo was designed to hunt tanks with it's 87.5 damage gun and (with upgun) 45% penetration at best vs heavier armour (vs Tiger close range, everything else is utterly horrific).
Why would you get a Jumbo?
Well, I suspect it'd have something to do with the penetration modifiers it has vs most brands of manned AT and HHAT combined with 736 health...
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I mean I know Obama was the first one in EiR to get a card. and tbfh the Race card is pretty OP. but Romney has the K.K.K., those guys seem to camo anywhere. So OP units from both sides.
At the end of the day, however, stormtroopers finally got the anal invasion with a cactus they have richly deserved for years.
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aeroblade56
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2014, 09:14:29 pm » |
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I wasn't aware that the Jumbo was designed to hunt tanks with it's 87.5 damage gun and (with upgun) 45% penetration at best vs heavier armour (vs Tiger close range, everything else is utterly horrific).
Why would you get a Jumbo?
Well, I suspect it'd have something to do with the penetration modifiers it has vs most brands of manned AT and HHAT combined with 736 health...
No. it isn't made to hunt tanks but it currently cant even fight anything other than a p4. Yes it is good VS HHAT. i mean i don't think you can 1 shot stormtroopers since they have some 95 hp. I would like to see you hicks play some games with the jumbo vs good players and you show me. I have seen only terrapin and i use jumbos since doctrines were taken out. |
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2014, 09:29:31 pm » |
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Its in the mk6 ark.
doctrine select unit grossly overshadowed by non doctrinal units.
Fucking tiger speed tho, just lol really dosent need to be .2 slower then a panther.
The bloody thing can keep up with M10s
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nikomas
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2014, 10:25:54 pm » |
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The bloody thing can keep up with M10s
It can in the sense that a churchill can keep up with a panther  |
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2014, 10:36:28 pm » |
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It can in the sense that a churchill can keep up with a panther blitzkrieg + 5 tiger speed is actually faster then m10. Churchill comes close to panther on roads if the panther is off road |
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nikomas
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2014, 10:41:34 pm » |
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blitzkrieg + 5 tiger speed is actually faster then m10.
Churchill comes close to panther on roads if the panther is off road
That's not what you said, you said it could keep up... Besides, to get blitz you have to give up dual repair kits, not quite sure why a tiger user would do that. |
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2014, 11:00:10 pm » |
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Moar speeeeeeeeeeed!
Either but its a fundamental flaw that a tiger can be faster then an M10.
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nikomas
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2014, 11:14:43 pm » |
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It's almost like it's a tier 3 ability. Tommies with FKAC can beat greandiers, by your logic isn't that a flaw to? High end doctrine abilities allows for some fun stuff, that goes for all of them, it's certainly not a "fundemental flaw".
If the tiger could keep up with the M10 without abilities, that's another thing entirely, but it can't.
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2014, 11:18:26 pm » |
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It's almost like it's a tier 3 ability or something...
/headache
He has been whimpering about this in a past thread as well. Jumbo has it better than average medium tanks i.e Standard Sherman and P4. It is a panther without the range and penetration. You are basically going. "Why it can't hunt tanks?" when it originally was not even designed to do such task. Its a fat sherman, aka infantry hunter. |
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2014, 11:33:25 pm » |
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He has been whimpering about this in a past thread as well.
Jumbo has it better than average medium tanks i.e Standard Sherman and P4. It is a panther without the range and penetration. You are basically going. "Why it can't hunt tanks?" when it originally was not even designed to do such task. Its a fat sherman, aka infantry hunter.
it is a panther..... without. well then its not a panther. shares the panther skirted armor type. does not have the panthers speed or accel does not have the panthers new found anti ai/at functionality. It does jot have the panthers damage. But yeh its a panther |
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2014, 12:49:59 am » |
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The Jumbo ain't as bad as you're making it to be.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2014, 02:15:27 am » |
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aero,
you either have a very subtile humor or you are an insanely unexperienced player.
Try to fight Jumbos with shreks...
Then you have your answer. Actually jumbo is one of the tanks that is for its price at the edge of OP
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aeroblade56
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2014, 06:13:38 am » |
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I never said it wasn't good vs HHAT. i never said OP in this thread so idk where anyone is drawing this conclusion. i am saying has anyone actually used the jumbo other than terrapin and myself in the last major tiger patch?.
can someone offer a replay with jumbos getting some 18-20 kills?
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2014, 07:19:37 am » |
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Saying jumbo dux and providing such a fal evidence like you and terrapin cant use those tanks properly is just meh. No intentions ofend someone but you and terrapin are notorious suckers with tanks lol
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2014, 07:29:52 am » |
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The Jumbo is considerably better than a regular sherman and for cheap price and pop. If the Tiger and Pershing are still overpowered then that's a separate balance issue.
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aeroblade56
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2014, 08:08:12 am » |
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The Jumbo is considerably better than a regular sherman and for cheap price and pop. If the Tiger and Pershing are still overpowered then that's a separate balance issue.
a cheap price you can afford 3. the question is can you deal more damage with 5-6x double repair shermans (even single rep) with upguns than you can with 3 non upgunned jumbos. Saying jumbo dux and providing such a fal evidence like you and terrapin cant use those tanks properly is just meh. No intentions ofend someone but you and terrapin are notorious suckers with tanks lol
That is also why i have asked for replays by anyone who has decently even teams so we can see just how good the jumbo is. |
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2014, 08:25:06 am » |
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aero,
i had like 30 kills on those things. And you can still get it if you avoid the engagement with a tiger.(latest rumors claim that atgs help)
dont use them on open fields! jumbos are close combat tanks!
1 more thing. The usage of a sherman and a jumbo doesnt differ very. So trust me, if you cant perform with a jumbo then you wont with sherman (even if you would have infinite repairs). A jumbo simply plays the sherman roll better.
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tank130
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2014, 08:30:56 am » |
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I think it is pretty much pointless to compare the validity of any armored unit in the current meta game.
Anything less then a heavy right now has essentially been made obsolete if there is a Pershing or Tiger on the field.
We experimented with some unit changes and they didn't work out. The great thing is now we are doing patches every 2 weeks, so any imbalances only last for a couple of weeks and get fixed.
Instead of us wasting months of analyzing the living shit out tiny changes, we are just making changes and analyzing the results. In the end, game balance will come faster, but we will have to live with some spikes up and down in the meantime.
The next patch will see many of the last changes reverted and/or tweaked.
The most difficult thing we face is trying to get a real idea of the changes impact. Unfortunately our forums are full of a loud community minority; often the same people really don't know jackshit about how to use a unit effectively. Or the input comes from people who play 1 game every 6 months but still think they actually know whats going on.......
And then, every now and then some moron compares the current balance to what it was with doctrines or what it will be if we re-implement docs in their same state.
Anywho........ the next patch will see the Tiger / Pershing changes reverted and the reward units first round of balancing.
I personally would like to see:
The Tiger loose the speed buff but keep the range buff.
Pershing loose the range buff
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aeroblade56
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2014, 08:42:59 am » |
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aero,
i had like 30 kills on those things. And you can still get it if you avoid the engagement with a tiger.(latest rumors claim that atgs help)
dont use them on open fields! jumbos are close combat tanks!
I would like to see proof. do you have a replay?, do you have a screen shot of the jumbos getting 30 kills?. i have checked the last 50 or so battles in intelligence and i have not seen you play allies. unless you go by some other name. I am not asking for much but all i am seeing is alot of nothing. it was a very simple has anyone /can anyone provide reasonable evidence( replay,screenshot ) of jumbos these last 2 patches being used to a effective degree to make taking them over shermans with upguns reasonable. |
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