6p Town Outskirts

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[GelezinisVilkas]

After play testing as a 3v3 I decided that this map should be a 3v3. I will make a 2v2 version if people would like to play it as a 2v2. The 2v2 will have the entire forest side removed and feature only the middle field and the church area and surrounding fields.

In a 3v3 the fighting was very intense, all fronts were pushing back and forth. Offmaps were flying off the handle for every single tactical advantage possible.

A potential problem with the map maybe the huge advantage vehicles and perhaps light vehicles may have specifically in moving around. I would consider adding more hedges to narrow openings and restrict movement in more places so that anti tank guns will not be so vulnerable... or provide a few more buildings for garrisoned infantry to defend from vehicles.

[skaffa]

After you left we played the map 2 more times, on 3v3 version. Here are the replays if you want to see how the games went.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=04611798689231510830

[PonySlaystation]

My thoughts on this map are that it's a really nice map, I have however encountered some pretty frustrating problems on it.

1: The bottom spawn is a town with lots of buildings and narrow passageways and even hedges, this makes it very difficult to move around, vehicles get stuck easily in the buildings and it's very easy for the enemy team to do hit and run actions in your spawn (a few Airborne or Tetrarchs can go berserk and destroy repairing units and it's a pain to try to hunt them around a town).

I suggest that you that you take some input from the design of Carentan which is very similar to your map. As you can see it's very clear where the roads lead to and there is space between buildings to allow units to move through and there is space in the middle where you can form up your forces before you proceed to attack and sandbags to allow inner city fighting. If you want you could even consider just stamping part of Carentan.

2: Moving over the empty riverbed is difficult with vehicles as they always prefer to travel over roads. I would suggest adding one or two roads and maybe reducing elevation differences on those passages.

[GelezinisVilkas]

Current Rework

I wanted the fighting to shift a little bit more to the town area and less on the middle field. So I've decided to move the town into the field and the field further away and eliminate one open field.

This had the effect of making the town look like Neuville and will potentially play like Neuville. I'm looking at partly the sectoring to prevent that from happening (capping that can easily go around a hard defence) and re-looking at how I will draw up the town. This will take me 1-2 weeks to get the next version out in a good playable format.

EDIT: Part of the reason why the game plays so fast on it is because there is no "defensible" location apart from the spawn and good players tend to overwhelm poor players who move their units around unsupported even faster without fallback positions and restrictions on movement.

I will also look into your suggestion pony and open up the town.

[nikomas]

Don't open the towns to much thou, a town should be a town and not some sparse buildings 30 meters apart with clear lines of fire

[Mister Schmidt]

I think a large issue is that the map is diagonal, one team spawns in the town.

I feel you could remedy a lot of problems by making it rectangular, making the town take up a third or so of the map on one side, but do not open it up, make it kind of tight and a little clustered.

That way it's still 'Town Outskirts' but it shifts gameplay between both the town and open areas and doesn't make it like Neuville.

[GelezinisVilkas]

Put some replays on so I can observe your games and see what needs to be changed. So far the changes I'm making are part based on feedback given and part based on skaffa's replay and my own play testing. I'm trying to accommodate the map to many play styles while still giving priority to a mobile style of play rather than static.

The main reason why I opted for diamond shape is to reduce the amount of sitting around that rectangular maps cause. By having a wider front, it is not possible to cover everything at once and makes all locations for flanking more equidistant than a regular map if start positions etc. were positioned correctly.

[TheWindCriesMary]

Really great idea focusing more on town combat vs just open fields. That was my #1 component of not enjoying the previous version.

Looking forward to trying the new version now

[Smokaz]

Can you move the left town to the middle of the map pls? It would be way cooler.

[XIIcorps]

Can you move the left town to the middle of the map pls? It would be way cooler.

forest ?


Actually if forest shows us anything its that diamond shapes are the way to go, I dont think ive had a game on it yet that settled into trenchwarfare.

[GelezinisVilkas]

Can you move the left town to the middle of the map pls? It would be way cooler.

I have moved it closer to the middle of the map but it is not smacked in the middle yet. It also has higher territory weightage so fighting is very likely to occur over it with minor skirmishes on the side.

I've updated the map and awaiting for feedback to do final touches before release for next week.

Changes
- Small urban area moved closer to middle of map
- One small irrelevant field removed
- Slight territory rework
- Buildings on Town side moved slightly further apart and some buildings & objects removed for more space.
- Spawns moved a little for greater equality (in distance)
- Town roads are now working (previously they weren't)
- River bed raised (elevation difference decreased).

EDIT: I will implement further suggestions/feedback that is posted after this post on Sunday and release the 2nd version.

[jackmccrack]

So at first I hated this map, but now, I enjoy it.

[PonySlaystation]

Some more input:

1: the farm fields in the north are almost completely open, it makes flanking very difficult and support weapons too powerful.

2: the sector layout in the town on the east side is strange, one sector goes into the middle so you can hold it while standing in the middle far outside the town.

3: there shouldn't be five sectors in the bottom spawn.

4: wooden fences without openings.

sector layout should be something like this:

[GelezinisVilkas]

I'm thinking of making this map into rectangular version for future iterations rendering the playable area as 512 x 384. This next version if ideal will take a while to build because of substantial replanning etc. required. It will be a straight up conventional 3v3 face to face instead of diamond style.