don't know about the panther but my stugs got advanced equipment and henchel design so it has with skirt on -15% recive penetration and -15% recive damage, so u will have hard time killing my stugs ..
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but hellcat did lots of damage , don't know if it had hvap, it was at the end of the game anyway.