NightRain
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« on: August 16, 2014, 07:33:13 am » |
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Tetrach without LJ upgrade doesn't seem to specialize in any role whatsoever. Its infantry accuracy isn't good, its ability to fight against medium and light armor is poor.
Tetrach gun being cw_close_support_tetrarch_gun.rgd
Although it seems to have exceptional potential versus few light armored vehicles (Not so vs heavy one). Basically what it does, stuart simply does better.
Thus it means Tetrachs without Little John suffers from having nothing going for it (aside of good coaxical mg) and thus would require a buff. I'd recommend increasing its anti infantry capalities.
0.66 damage modifier to 1 so it deals 65 damage per hit on infantry
Increasing accuracy modifier vs infantry to 0.65 (similar to hotchkiss 37mm) Or up to 0.7.
This way this light tank is capable of hitting infantry at least a bit more reliably than it currently does without suffering damage reduction per infantry hit. This tank still lives in VCoH balance and currently isn't a attractive option at all to consider.
As a result:
This way this little tank can pop smoke, fight infantry and light vehicles reliably in addition of carrying one of the best (if not best) coaxical with it.
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Hicks58
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2014, 06:54:46 pm » |
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Do you actually bother to check where guns are linked Speedy?
Or do you just look at the list of weapons and pick one out that "feels right"?
"On topic" the problem doesn't so much lie in the base gun, but rather the fact that the LJ adaptor has absolutely zero drawbacks, it's a straight buff for a marginal amount of FU and pop (In that it simply brings it up to standard LV levels). There is absolutely no reason to take the standard Tet over the LJ.
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2014, 06:59:55 pm » |
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Do you actually bother to check where guns are linked Speedy?
Or do you just look at the list of weapons and pick one out that "feels right"?
"On topic" the problem doesn't so much lie in the base gun, but rather the fact that the LJ adaptor has absolutely zero drawbacks, it's a straight buff for a marginal amount of FU and pop (In that it simply brings it up to standard LV levels). There is absolutely no reason to take the standard Tet over the LJ.
Besides the 2 pop difference, even so your right. LJ's shit over regular tets. I believe the CS tet gun is for smoke. |
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| NightRain
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2014, 11:22:57 pm » |
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Where in the bloody hell is the LJ version of the tetty gun. Since there's 2 other Tetrach smoke launchers.
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2014, 11:32:38 pm » |
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Where in the bloody hell is the LJ version of the tetty gun.
IIRC LJ tet gun is the same gun, just increased Pen modfiers. Oh And a different model. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2014, 01:26:02 am » |
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Do we agree that the base Tet can be made useful?
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2014, 01:56:10 am » |
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Give it acess to the T2 stuart cannister round.
and Stuart AI ability.
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2014, 02:47:28 am » |
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why ostwind owns tets so bad?
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2014, 03:56:39 am » |
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why ostwind owns tets so bad?
Why not, Why Bofors own HT's so bad ? |
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2014, 04:16:38 am » |
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Acording to my research, the CS tet gun is not used for anything.
The CS designation was likely due to relic possibly including a Howitzer armed variant of the Tet.
Wikipedia :Light Tank Mk VII Tetrarch
"A number of tanks had their 2 pounder guns replaced with a 76.2-millimetre (3.00 in) infantry support howitzer; these tanks were then designated as Tetrarch 1 CS (Close Support)".
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Hicks58
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2014, 09:35:45 am » |
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More likely a doctrine/unit idea that never happened, or an old doctrine/unit that used to exist but no longer does. There's a few of those lurking around if you keep your eyes open in the RGD's. I imagine the Ostwind owns the Tet due to it being over twice the fuel cost and being a LV counter at the same time, which seems fair. Where in the bloody hell is the LJ version of the tetty gun. Since there's 2 other Tetrach smoke launchers.
There is no LJ specific gun, there is only an upgrade to the base Tet gun which gives 3x penetration and absolutely no drawbacks. |
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| NightRain
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2014, 02:44:55 pm » |
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Yeh, either way I was wrong with the gun even if the similarities are pretty much the same with both of them (aside of AoE effect) but I was wrong.
Regardless the point was that the Non-upgun tet is kinda crap whilst the LJ one is better. A similar role swap like Hotchkiss and Hotchkiss Upgun would be a decent choice to go.
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2014, 03:23:04 pm » |
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An airdropped stuart with less hp would be the go.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2014, 10:52:08 pm » |
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Could just remove the standard tetrarch and keep the John.
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XIIcorps
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2014, 11:29:29 pm » |
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Could just remove the standard tetrarch and keep the John.
could also remove 2 of the 3 hotchkisses and make them all the one platform, but no. There is 2 Tets for a reason, just the 6 years of vcoh balance has failed to differentiate them. |
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2014, 12:49:13 am » |
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Regardless the point was that the Non-upgun tet is kinda crap whilst the LJ one is better. A similar role swap like Hotchkiss and Hotchkiss Upgun would be a decent choice to go.
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