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[tank130]

Hey everyone,

This was supposed to be our next patch. According to nikomas & Scotzman, everything is completed, they just need to upload it. They told me two weeks ago it was ready for upload......

Over the past few years we always get people who claim they want to help the mod, but they are enthusiastic for a few weeks or months, then realize helping the mod actually means committing time and doing what you say you are going to do.

It is so disappointing that a completed patch is just sitting there but our two RGD coders can not commit the 20 minutes to getting it packaged for me to upload.


General
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American

- Smoke grenades
      Reduce range to 20 (from 25)
      Add a cooldown of 5s between uses

- Quad
      range reduced from 45 to 40

- Chaffee
      Rotation rate changed from 60 to 50
      Health reduced from 450 to 350

- T17
      Price to 350 MP
      150 FU
      Long range accuracy to 0.35
      acc mod vs all inf to 0.75
      Damage to 40
      Pop to 9

- Mortar
      Manpower price reduced to 300

- AB Mortar
      Manpower price reduced to 320
      MU price reduced to 55
      Remove airburst rounds

- Super Pershing
      vet 4 bonus reduced to 0.9 rec pen
      Base health reduced by 100
      40 max AI range
      0.75 acc vs all infantry targets

- Tank Reapers
      Bazookas no longer affected
      Jumbo no longer affected
      Buff to ATG improved to 25% extra accuracy, damage and penetration and +5 range
      ATG sprint from locked and loaded moved to Tank Reapers ATGs

- Rangers
      Reduce mp cost from 310 to 280


Commonwealth

- CW Lieutenant
      All current aura buffs removed
      New ability "Trained fire"
                      - 1.25 dmg
                      - 1.25 penetration for 20s in a 30m radius (infantry and support weapons).
                      - Cool down 150s.
                      - Affects allies.
                      - Doctrines will affect the officer buffs in doctrine rework.
            - Price increased to 80 mu

- Mando lieutenant
      All current aura buffs removed.
      New ability "Combat sprint"
                 - Sprint and 0.5 rec suppression for 10s
            - 1.25 acc for 20s in a 20m radius (infantry only)
            - Cooldown 150s
            - Affects allies
            - Doctrine will affect officer buffs after doctrine rework
            - Price increased to 80 mu

- Captain
      All current aura buffs removed
      Slow healing sector aura maintained
      New ability "Hold your Ground"
             - infantry in 20m radius around captain drop to ground (immobile) and receive 0.8 rec acc 0.8 rec dmg, 0.75 rec suppression.
                       - Lasts 5 seconds
                       - 10s cooldown
                       - Affects allies
             - Price increased to 80 mu

- Tommies
            Enfield rifle damage increased from 10 to 12
       Accuracy increased by +0.05 at all ranges (This affects all tommy and sapper enfields, except the
 scoped enfield.)

- AVRE/Brummbar
      popcap increased to 10
      Range reduced to 42.5
      Price increased by 50MP
      Fuel increased by 45
   

Wehrmacht

-  WM officer
           Cool down on supervision increased to 160s
            Munitions price for base unit to 100

- Wirblewind
      Speed increased from 5 to 6
      Acceleration from 1.2 to 2.4

- Ostwind
      Pop to 9
      Damage modifier versus greyhound armour from 0.5 to 1
      Penetration against stuarts from 0.23 to 0.4
      Pen mod against stuart rear to 3

- Volksgrenadier MP40s
      upgrade now grants the squad 0.9 received accuracy and +5 health per man
      4 second sprint
      40% received accuracy reduction

- Blitzkrieg Assault Nades
      No longer provides the icon when used

- Motar
      manpower price reduced to 350

- Tiger Ace
           vet 4 bonus reduced to 0.9 rec pen
      Base health reduced by 100
           40 max AI range
       0.75 acc vs all infantry targets


-    Stormtroopers
      Dual STG44s no longer requires T2 unlock
      Dual Shrek upgrade no longer requires T2 unlock
      Single STG44 upgrade now provides cloak

- Puma
      Range reduced from 40 to 37.5
      FU price decreased from 75 to 65


Panzer Elite

-    Hetzer
      acceleration from 1.35 to 2.5
      deccel from 2.75 to 3
      rotation from 27 to 30

- Elefant
      acceleration from 1.6 to 2.4
      decelleration from 2 to 3
      rotation from 24 to 32
      Main gun accuracy vs infantry from 0.2 to 0.4
      Pop from 16 to 15

- Falls
      Grenadier rifles given
      ambush bonus set to 1.35 acc 1.35 damage
      recloak set to 2 seconds and no stacking buff with itself

- 50mm ATHT
      Pathing plan changed to tank Pathing

- WaffleSniper
      Defensive (-50% rec acc) and range (+10) bonuses received from any cover remove

- Assault Grens
      MP cost increased from 215 to 240

- Hotchkiss
      Speed reduced from 6.4 to 6
      FU price increased from 70 to 90

- HotchUpgun
      Speed reduced from 6.4 to 6
      FU price increased from 90 to 100
      range reduced from 45 to 40

- Armored Car
      Range reduced from 40 to 37.5
      FU price increased from 55 to 65

[M1d]

R.i.P Patch 

[Hicks58]

Lets just take a quick look over these notes, going to put my commentary within the quote, highlighted in bold because quoting every single little piece would be time consuming as fuck.

American

- Smoke grenades
      Reduce range to 20 (from 25)
      Add a cooldown of 5s between uses

Yeah, fair enough

- Quad
      range reduced from 45 to 40

Why? The Quad is fragile as all hell. The only thing this does is allow HHAT to just shoot the Quad in the face if it engages, and the Quad is supposed to be hard-countering infantry. This one confuses me.

- Chaffee
      Rotation rate changed from 60 to 50
      Health reduced from 450 to 350

Yup, fair.

- T17
      Price to 350 MP
      150 FU
      Long range accuracy to 0.35
      acc mod vs all inf to 0.75
      Damage to 40
      Pop to 9

Gone from OP to UP in one snap. Too much being done here at once, the damage decrease alone is a massive nerf as it kills it's capacity to one-shot a lot of inf. The accuracy nerf on top of it is just about tolerable, but sky-rocketing the price on top of that double nerf? GG T17's. Drop the price nerf and that should look alright, and if it isn't, the price nerf is a VERY easy change.

- Mortar
      Manpower price reduced to 300

Yeah, Mortars are pricey as fuck for everybody. This comment applies to all mortar changes.

- AB Mortar
      Manpower price reduced to 320
      MU price reduced to 55
      Remove airburst rounds

- Super Pershing
      vet 4 bonus reduced to 0.9 rec pen
      Base health reduced by 100
      40 max AI range
      0.75 acc vs all infantry targets

Yes to everything besides the health reduction. This same commentary is going to apply to the TA as well, I'm not seeing why the health reduction is warranted when it's lolwut AI capacity has been put back in line.


- Tank Reapers
      Bazookas no longer affected
      Jumbo no longer affected
      Buff to ATG improved to 25% extra accuracy, damage and penetration and +5 range
      ATG sprint from locked and loaded moved to Tank Reapers ATGs

What? Bazookas and Jumbo no longer affected? Jumbo I can wrap my head around, but no more TR Zooks? You've got a T4 that buffs ATG's alone, lol. GG Ranger zooks and TR in general actually.

- Rangers
      Reduce mp cost from 310 to 280

Yeah, fair, alot of elite inf is pricey as fuck.


Commonwealth

- CW Lieutenant
      All current aura buffs removed
      New ability "Trained fire"
                      - 1.25 dmg
                      - 1.25 penetration for 20s in a 30m radius (infantry and support weapons).
                      - Cool down 150s.
                      - Affects allies.
                      - Doctrines will affect the officer buffs in doctrine rework.
            - Price increased to 80 mu

Damage and penetration buff on infantry. Huh. I could write an essay on why this is a bad idea, but all Officers have gone with this approach, so whatever. No commentary on the Officers, just not gonna go there, lol.

- Mando lieutenant
      All current aura buffs removed.
      New ability "Combat sprint"
                 - Sprint and 0.5 rec suppression for 10s
            - 1.25 acc for 20s in a 20m radius (infantry only)
            - Cooldown 150s
            - Affects allies
            - Doctrine will affect officer buffs after doctrine rework
            - Price increased to 80 mu

- Captain
      All current aura buffs removed
      Slow healing sector aura maintained
      New ability "Hold your Ground"
             - infantry in 20m radius around captain drop to ground (immobile) and receive 0.8 rec acc 0.8 rec dmg, 0.75 rec suppression.
                       - Lasts 5 seconds
                       - 10s cooldown
                       - Affects allies
             - Price increased to 80 mu

- Tommies
            Enfield rifle damage increased from 10 to 12
       Accuracy increased by +0.05 at all ranges (This affects all tommy and sapper enfields, except the
 scoped enfield.)

Now that Officers aren't a constant buff, I can get behind this, even if the new Officer buffs are... Questionable. It'd be nice to see Tommies be worth a damn with rifles.

- AVRE/Brummbar
      popcap increased to 10
      Range reduced to 42.5
      Price increased by 50MP
      Fuel increased by 45

Range hasn't gone down enough. Needs to go down to 40, but yeah, in the right direction.
   

Wehrmacht

-  WM officer
           Cool down on supervision increased to 160s
            Munitions price for base unit to 100

- Wirblewind
      Speed increased from 5 to 6
      Acceleration from 1.2 to 2.4

Isn't this still a T2 unlock when it should have been pulled to a T1 many moons ago? This change is good, but the cost of getting this for a company is expensive, assuming it hasn't been changed.

- Ostwind
      Pop to 9
      Damage modifier versus greyhound armour from 0.5 to 1
      Penetration against stuarts from 0.23 to 0.4
      Pen mod against stuart rear to 3

Agree with combat changes, wondering why the pop was touched.

- Volksgrenadier MP40s
      upgrade now grants the squad 0.9 received accuracy and +5 health per man
      4 second sprint
      40% received accuracy reduction

While I don't think this is the way MP40's should be made worthwhile, it SHOULD do the trick. I'd prefer to see a more organised approach (Unless you've read the patch notes, who the hell is going to know MP40's give all this free buffage?) but it'd do for now.

- Blitzkrieg Assault Nades
      No longer provides the icon when used

Yeah, so long as it's still an area target ability.

- Motar
      manpower price reduced to 350

- Tiger Ace
           vet 4 bonus reduced to 0.9 rec pen
      Base health reduced by 100
           40 max AI range
       0.75 acc vs all infantry targets

See SP commentary.

-    Stormtroopers
      Dual STG44s no longer requires T2 unlock
      Dual Shrek upgrade no longer requires T2 unlock
      Single STG44 upgrade now provides cloak

Not so sure about the single STG44 giving cloak, but the unlock changes are definitely overdue.

- Puma
      Range reduced from 40 to 37.5
      FU price decreased from 75 to 65

Uh, why? I'm definitely not getting the AC range changes.


Panzer Elite

-    Hetzer
      acceleration from 1.35 to 2.5
      deccel from 2.75 to 3
      rotation from 27 to 30

Yup, no arguments.

- Elefant
      acceleration from 1.6 to 2.4
      decelleration from 2 to 3
      rotation from 24 to 32
      Main gun accuracy vs infantry from 0.2 to 0.4
      Pop from 16 to 15

Again, looks fair enough.

- Falls
      Grenadier rifles given
      ambush bonus set to 1.35 acc 1.35 damage
      recloak set to 2 seconds and no stacking buff with itself

Aaaaand Falls just became regular old elite inf. That can Ambush. Will it work? Sure. Will it be kicking a good unit that required a fine hand in the nuts in favour of it being easy to use? Yup.

- 50mm ATHT
      Pathing plan changed to tank Pathing

If it improves the pathing, yeah, good.

- WaffleSniper
      Defensive (-50% rec acc) and range (+10) bonuses received from any cover remove

Range bonus, yes, kill it with fire. Defensive bonus?... Hm. It was kinda it's counter-snipe protection, which is now gone. Probably going to see a lot more counter-sniped FSJ Marksmen.

- Assault Grens
      MP cost increased from 215 to 240

Yes, AG's were cheap, but I never really saw it as a problem. On the fence here.

- Hotchkiss
      Speed reduced from 6.4 to 6
      FU price increased from 70 to 90

Yeah, no arguments.

- HotchUpgun
      Speed reduced from 6.4 to 6
      FU price increased from 90 to 100
      range reduced from 45 to 40

Same again.

- Armored Car
      Range reduced from 40 to 37.5
      FU price increased from 55 to 65

Refer to commentary on Puma.

Yeah, that sums up my thoughts on it. Overall, it looks good, but there are a few things in there that seriously raise eyebrows such as nerfing the T17 into oblivion, the seemingly random health nerfs on the TA/SP, the out of the blue AC range reductions... But, whatever. If it revives the game, I'm not in a position to reasonably argue.

[aeroblade56]

# downloaded# cant wait for officer buffed mp40s to kick ass.

[ick312]

for most parts a step in the right direction, BUT

AVRE, RRs are not really nerfed for their firepower. This was what "faded" the game.

the MP40 - idk i dislike the buff

[tank130]

For the record,

95% of this patch was created by Myst. The other 5% was taking community input from the balance forums.

[Scotzmen]

Sorry for the wait lads and lasses. Patch is actually finished and working, only just got high speed internet back. Had to switch from Vodafone to slingshot as vodafone fucked everything up so badly they lost all my details etc.

That and a lot of shit has been happening over the last 2 weeks. Didn't relaise i'd be so busy.

Wasn't sure how to get the squads to be immobile in the capt'n ability, so the buffs will only work when the squads are not moving.

Peace out, please post all bugs and mistakes to a single thread. I ain't hunting for them.

[Scotzmen]

Files uploaded and updated. Should be in all working order. I have no clue how to apply the patch globally. I see buttons with patch on it, but i will probably break the mod

[tank130]

Files uploaded and updated. Should be in all working order. I have no clue how to apply the patch globally. I see buttons with patch on it, but i will probably break the mod

I don't think you can patch as you do not have server access. Either Nikomas has to do it or you have to give me the files in a specific format so I can load them. Unfortunately I do not know how to format the files.......

[nikomas]

I'll finalize the stuff after I get home from work tommorow/today (I work evenings) just about to sleep. I think it was actually about 65-70% mysth and the rest were others, so it's a bit less mysth and a bit more mysterious.

Oh, don't get to exited about the volks as I also do believe they only got the sprint/charge ability and not the +5 health, the change might not have been updated in the notes as we talked it over.

Anyway, expect it in less than a day (24h) if nothing goes wrong, probably in about 20, all depends on my work times tommorow.

Gnight and remember to thank scotty.

[Scotzmen]

Pretty sure we agreed:

5 second sprint, 40% reduction to incoming suppression, but only if the squad is actually moving.

I did code in the rest of the stuff, but deleted after the change

[Korpisolttu]

I'll finalize the stuff after I get home from work tommorow/today (I work evenings) just about to sleep. I think it was actually about 65-70% mysth and the rest were others, so it's a bit less mysth and a bit more mysterious.

Oh, don't get to exited about the volks as I also do believe they only got the sprint/charge ability and not the +5 health, the change might not have been updated in the notes as we talked it over.

Anyway, expect it in less than a day (24h) if nothing goes wrong, probably in about 20, all depends on my work times tommorow.

Gnight and remember to thank scotty.

That's great news!

[Korpisolttu]

This should bring some extra-life time for EiR. Future still looks grim, but not as grim as couple of days ago when we heard the doomsday news. For sure mod needs now more than ever new flesh to dev team. I agree what tank told about the peoples desire of using lot of their own freetime for mod making and that it really takes time.

[Hicks58]

Specific questions I need to ask with regards to this patch, as my initial post is obviously a lot to take in:

- What's with the sudden AC range nerfs?

- What's with the total officer changes?

- Why has the T17 been nerfed into uselessness? (C'mon guys, this was drilled into the dev team in MY day, tap the hammer, not swing the sledge)

- What's with the Quad range nerf?

- What's with the SP/TA health nerfs? (Yeah, the SP has a total of 10 HP more than the standard Pershing, and the TA has 100 more HP than the standard Tiger, lul)

- Why's TR nerfed into oblivion? (Only real thing that was a requirement was the Jumbo Upgun getting booted out)

Everything besides these questions is fine, but I really want to know what logic went into these changes.

[NightRain]

Mysthalin deemed that T17 was like a allied ostwind, thus he decided to make it into a allied ostwind. Difference being mobility versus durability which means T17 should be perfectly capable to remain on the field. Same as a ostwind.

Basically T17 = Ostwind from now on.

Mysthalin decided also that Quad was cheap and did not need 45 range on its thing. Especially AB quad combination where quad could simply deteriorate infantry without much of a problem.

Puma and AC nerf is weird.

[GORKHALI]

About time .... 

Release the Kraken

[tank130]

Specific questions I need to ask with regards to this patch, as my initial post is obviously a lot to take in:

- What's with the sudden AC range nerfs?

- What's with the total officer changes?

- Why has the T17 been nerfed into uselessness? (C'mon guys, this was drilled into the dev team in MY day, tap the hammer, not swing the sledge)

- What's with the Quad range nerf?

- What's with the SP/TA health nerfs? (Yeah, the SP has a total of 10 HP more than the standard Pershing, and the TA has 100 more HP than the standard Tiger, lul)

- Why's TR nerfed into oblivion? (Only real thing that was a requirement was the Jumbo Upgun getting booted out)

Everything besides these questions is fine, but I really want to know what logic went into these changes.

Perhaps your are right, perhaps you are wrong. Perhaps some of the decisions you made as balance lead worked and perhaps some of your decisions did not.
Perhaps some of your decisions were disagreed on by members of the community, but turned out to be good decisions anyway. Perhaps some of the decisions some agreed with did not turn out OK.

Perhaps many in this community , including yourself, felt that Mysthalin was the best man for the job and the Dev team should make him balance lead. We did; and this is the patch he came up with.

How about rather than theory crafting this patch we actually put it in play and see how it handles. What's the worst that could happen - the mod dies?

[nikomas]

Update, working 1430 - 2230 today (1645 rite now.)

Expect patch around midnight +-1hr if all goes well.


Quite sure it was received accuracy Scott, but you are correct on the only while moving requirement. I'll check the notes.


Hicks, all those points buy one you'll have to ask mysth about.

The only one not on him iirc is the AC range. It was reduced (IIRC) to make it slightly harder to kite hhat and it was deemed a little to cheap.

Back to driving for me

[Hicks58]

Tank, you always have, and always will have, the magnificent ability to jump to the absolute worst conclusion upon seeing something.

I've asked for the LOGIC behind certain changes.

I've not slammed, I've not shunned (Except two, which are REALLY eyebrow raising things, one of them being a clear cut mistake that we've supposed to have learned of loooong ago - quad nerfing a unit instead of small pieces at a time) I'm asking for the reasoning so that I may personally understand how these things have come about.

I want to know WHY. I don't want a reversal. I want to see the patch go ahead, but I also don't want to see it causing more trouble - Especially the kind of trouble that is piece of piss to avoid with a little follow up thinking.

Mysthalin deemed that T17 was like a allied ostwind, thus he decided to make it into a allied ostwind. Difference being mobility versus durability which means T17 should be perfectly capable to remain on the field. Same as a ostwind.

Basically T17 = Ostwind from now on.

Right, so if it's so fragile now, it should be doing the same kind of damage that an Ostwind is doing - If we follow that logic, and we follow the associated price increase. However, it is not. It does not have the Ostwind's ability to gib low tier infantry consistently and high tier infantry on chance. The T17 requires two shots every time for every target (And 3 as a possibility for KCH/Storms), whilst recieving an accuracy nerf and a major price increase.

The damage nerf and accuracy nerf is warranted. I will not argue this. The problem is, it has been done on top of making the unit much more expensive both in fuel and pop. That is where my source of WTF is based upon. That is not making it into an Allied Ostwind, that is just slamming the shit out of the unit. If anything, if it were made into an Ostwind, it's combat stats would have been made the same and the price would have gone up to match the value of the Ostwind at around the 175 FU mark, with a pop increase to 10.

Mysthalin decided also that Quad was cheap and did not need 45 range on its thing. Especially AB quad combination where quad could simply deteriorate infantry without much of a problem.

AB Quad combination just flat out died to the first sniff of ATG's or long range AT, so I'm really not feeling that being the route cause. AB Croc is so much more potent, so I'm really not feeling that logic in the slightest.

So, where are the answers? Balance leads of all iterations, not just me, would justify their changes when asked and provide reasoning. Again, I'm not asking for revolution, just answers that make sense. Nothing more.

[GrayWolf]

I'm back bitchezzzz!

Tank, you always have, and always will have, the magnificent ability to jump to the absolute worst conclusion upon seeing something.

I've asked for the LOGIC behind certain changes.

I've not slammed, I've not shunned (Except two, which are REALLY eyebrow raising things, one of them being a clear cut mistake that we've supposed to have learned of loooong ago - quad nerfing a unit instead of small pieces at a time) I'm asking for the reasoning so that I may personally understand how these things have come about.

I want to know WHY. I don't want a reversal. I want to see the patch go ahead, but I also don't want to see it causing more trouble - Especially the kind of trouble that is piece of piss to avoid with a little follow up thinking.

Right, so if it's so fragile now, it should be doing the same kind of damage that an Ostwind is doing - If we follow that logic, and we follow the associated price increase. However, it is not. It does not have the Ostwind's ability to gib low tier infantry consistently and high tier infantry on chance. The T17 requires two shots every time for every target (And 3 as a possibility for KCH/Storms), whilst recieving an accuracy nerf and a major price increase.

The damage nerf and accuracy nerf is warranted. I will not argue this. The problem is, it has been done on top of making the unit much more expensive both in fuel and pop. That is where my source of WTF is based upon. That is not making it into an Allied Ostwind, that is just slamming the shit out of the unit. If anything, if it were made into an Ostwind, it's combat stats would have been made the same and the price would have gone up to match the value of the Ostwind at around the 175 FU mark, with a pop increase to 10.

AB Quad combination just flat out died to the first sniff of ATG's or long range AT, so I'm really not feeling that being the route cause. AB Croc is so much more potent, so I'm really not feeling that logic in the slightest.

So, where are the answers? Balance leads of all iterations, not just me, would justify their changes when asked and provide reasoning. Again, I'm not asking for revolution, just answers that make sense. Nothing more.

Would you close your mouth for a second? (I'm trying to be nice here )
Also, TL;DR.