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[Spitfire92]

It is a little too high, the rate it repairs. Someone did a test on it, here's the link to the post regarding it. http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=6611.0

In short. It repairs 1.33 hp per second. Shorter, 7 and a half minutes to fully repair a to-the-brink-of-extinction sherman. And that's by itself. With the specced engies (comes with the t4), it's about 4 minutes.

To compare with the axis repair bunker- .66hp per second for one bunker. Full 600 hp repair of a P4 is 15 minutes. two repair bunkers with a pio is about 5 minutes.

On board mechanics is a really good t4, but it's repair rate is WAY too fast. Honostly it needs to be more passive and subtle, if anything the rate should be lowered to the standard pio/engie repair rate of .66hp per second. Perferably lower. I know that axis tanks were harder to repair, historically, but americans couldn't just rub magic juice on their armor either.

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

Has been left totally untouched for a bunch of wars, and is really only as good as ones micro. Yet it is now OP. If onboard is made more passive and subtle I want the same done to heavy support, German Steal, HEAT rounds, Tank Reapers, Weapon Surplus, Stacked.

And how rare is it to see 2 repair bunkers and a pio in a game compared to onboard? There are definently more repair bunker duos then there are onboard players. The T4 is fine in the hands of a good player it is godly, in the hands of a noob it is worthless.

[AmPmAllied]

While true, 2 RBs and a Pio will not repair 4 tanks at a time =)

OB + Tank Command = win.

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

Once tank command is fixed that is. Currently you need to be a person with no life to get the amount of CPs for that T3 and OB.

But again, it is only as good as the person using it. It doesn't make the tanks or anything stronger, just makes them last, which is great in itself but compared to things like HEAT rounds which makes any tank just outright stronger or GS which makes any tank just outright unable to be killed unless the player falls asleep.

[Tymathee]

what does it matter? an axis player can still bring out an early pather, get it knocked down to low heath, retreat it to a repair bunker and then bring it back in later to wreck havoc Every axis side gets repair bunkers, while OBM is a t4 in the armour doctrine and hell, AB dont get anything to repair or heal anything while all axis infantry and support weapons gets med packs and at vet 1 get a heal rate, so quit it.

[AmPmAllied]

Ab don't need to, AB with a Triage is godlike. If you think Repair bunkers are a problem, then kill them. I have 2 AB squads setup with satchels for that reason.

GS and HEAT are both scary if used well. But please, anyone that brings an early Panther is just asking to get outcapped.

[Deterrence]

Axis repair bunkers arent even tier abilities, but in mass + pios they can easily be just as good.  I personally think axis just arent used to losing tank battles vs tanks, but lets take away the onboards so everyone will just play airborn next.

[Mysthalin_Terror]

Noone's asking for a removal of OBM, or a replacement for it.
It's only a NERF that's being asked.
it repairs at 1,33 HP/s on a sherman. At 1,98 HP/s(!) - a Pershing. It repairs multiple tanks/vehicles at once.
It can not be negated by killing a defenseless building/two man squad. It does not cost 160 munitions or 110 manpower + 2 pop per repairer to use.
It is simply overpowered.

[NightRain]

I think Onboard Mechanics simply repairs too fast...you can just retreat the sherman and then return it after a moment or two to shoot again. It could be lower than its orginal for now...I don't ask it to be lower than Bunker repair but I don't ask it to be higher than that either.

Its not the über OP or a game turner. But neither is Repair Bunker. It might repair a tank that was dmged close to death but it takes long time in minutes to field it back if there is only one left xD

[HighVelocity]

It is so good cos it repairs constantly all the time, while axis have to stand on same spot out of combat waiting for repair.

[UnLimiTeD2]

I vote for either disabling it while fighting or making it a T3 with half strengh and having a Field Repairs T4 with extended duration and more uses.
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this threads will obviously never die, and I dumb guy even contribute... -.-

[MannfredvonRitter]

It does repair too fast, and in conditions which are far superior to the axis repairs.

Repair bunkers aren't easy to kill but if you have an AB player as an ally you can easily do so. Many weapons the allies have can easily circumvent defences and destroy repair bunkers, artillery included.

2 pop is a pain to use, as a result I often abstain from using repair bunkers to be honest as 2 pop can seriously hurt when one can bring units out.

Engineers and onboard means shermans can be back in the fight quite rapidly.

Good skill required for OB? I don't think the skill required to use it well is above half, reverse backwards when hurt and repair up. With a pershing even less skill is required, rush in heedlessly, take damage and then fall back and slowly 'repair' = victory.

Before people claim it's because I get owned in tank v tank battles, it isn't. Do I think it should be removed? No. Do I think it should be depowered slightly? Yes. Same with tank reapers, move it down, it doesn't need to be removed, even 50% would be very powerful and I'm guessing still used often and very useful.

[Killer344]

Good skill required for OB? I don't think the skill required to use it well is above half, reverse backwards when hurt and repair up. With a pershing even less skill is required, rush in heedlessly, take damage and then fall back and slowly 'repair' = victory.

Rofl.. hahahah obviously you haven´t fucking played with allied armor companies never lol....

[Draken]

Good skill required for OB? I don't think the skill required to use it well is above half, reverse backwards when hurt and repair up. With a pershing even less skill is required, rush in heedlessly, take damage and then fall back and slowly 'repair' = victory.

Rofl.. hahahah obviously you haven´t fucking played with allied armor companies never lol....

Agree it looks easy, but it isn't

[martin_the_monkey1]

i play allied armour im happy for On Board Mechanics to get a nerf or even be replaced just as soon as my upgun Shermans with Tungsten Tipping (20% penetration)  can win a fight vs a standard p4 more the 50% of the time when it come down to a slugging match and when most there shots stop bouncing of a panthers side armour

[MannfredvonRitter]

Good skill required for OB? I don't think the skill required to use it well is above half, reverse backwards when hurt and repair up. With a pershing even less skill is required, rush in heedlessly, take damage and then fall back and slowly 'repair' = victory.

Rofl.. hahahah obviously you haven´t fucking played with allied armor companies never lol....

It's a slight exageration, but never the less, pershings are easier to use than a KT. Due to the 'sticky dynamic' (and tank reapers). Make a mistake with a KT and it gets stickied and killed. Make a mistake with the pershing and get hurt, unless it's a huge mistake. Their higher speed also helps them in terms of retreating from battle and getting away in order to repair. Whilst my tiger needs to survive and get to a repair bunker your pershing can sit just back from the battle and support whilst repairing or even skirmish lightly whilst repairing.

[Killer344]

but you can get heat rounds with a tiger or conviction......

[UnLimiTeD]

Or heavy support on the paks to drive tanks off so far you can break through their lines as it's still 16 pop.
Also stickies fail a third of the time against KTs, just as mines do(well, of course a mine can immobilise a fullhealth KT, but it's rare).
Getting a HEAT Blitz Tiger or conviction Panther will likely kill a Pershing, but thats use based.
Which is why I would like onboard and Field Rep switched .

[PrydainAllies]

OBM YOUR MUM.

[stumpster]

I vote for either disabling it while fighting

When Tales of Valor comes out, AFAIK Relic is adding in an 'in-combat' (probably whether the squad is firing/is being fired upon) check.  This would be doable then, but not now.