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[DasNoob]

Looking good man.

Where do we dump these files again to update?

[Marine.Apollo]

i am sory but i can not post the skin files hear. if you want it you must email me for this version or wait for the "clean release". this version is for privet use only for obvious reasions and that is why i can not post it. i will post clean version in a days time when i fix the bugs and clean it up.

email is comander.apollo@yahoo.com

also befor any one post PLEASE READ THE OPENING POST as i fully express the reasions behind this there and i do not want this thread to be deraild again.

Lt Apollo

Ps: this is NOT a historical skin, it is a PROPAGANDA inspired skin.

[Schultz]

lol Dragon you do realize that it matters not from what they stole it.
We're discussing about a thing in a game about WWII not a rabine initiation ceremony..

Your analogies are all bad, maybe we should go back to the prehistoric age and compaire nazis to the dinosaurs, im sure early humanoids hated their guts as well :p

And pls Manfred stop talking about democracy on a public forum about the right to use a nazi symbol on a game. Its just "awkward" to say the least.
Do what you want on your private life, dress up with the swastika and danse on the pale moonlight with the devil for all we care.
Apollo is to be respected for his choice to treat this as a public forum, something you dont understand.

Anyway, i jumped in here to comment on something Anthony said, not to castrate on your democratic rights 

[Waffen 17th.SS]

I just have one question before the attacks come to my front, APEX, why do you seem to have a personal thing/censorship (almost closed mind point of view) about German History? and especially the SS? Are you of Jewish background by any chance?


Let along anyone?

[HighVelocity]

Pih, you guys really don't have something smarter to do in your life than beating a dead horse?   

[Akranadas]

How about you respect peoples views for what they are instead of trying to pick and naw at them like a fat kid at a cake shop.

[Tymathee]

oh chill out, i doubt anyone here is a jew hater or actually believes in the nazi view point, so just leave it be and move on k? its a cool skin and very well made. I wouldn't use it myself but i definiately admire the artistic value of it. People get all fussy over symbols man.

[31stPzGren]

Its a pretty nice skin. I agree the trench coats needs to be longer.

With regards to the non-skin related remarks... Remember this quote "History is written by those who hang heroes".

I can't find much name calling against the crusaders for their ethnic cleansing or the US for all the civilian killed in wars. Just because you have been "white-washed" doesn't mean you're any cleaner than the nazis.

"People are still alive with memories of WW2, that's one reason why the Nazi's are seen as so much worse than anything else."

I'm sure there are people in vietnam still alive, who remember what the Americans did.

"I mean, Mongols, in their world invasion, killed over 40 million people"

Wow. That just makes the nazis did seem like child play in comparison and they don't even have a black name globally.

[Mysthalin_Armor]

31st, you're a germanophile! :O.
J/k.

[Dragon93]

Schultz, the point i was getting at is its a symbol. Get over it. That symbol happened to be chosen as the image used by the National Socialist German Workers Party, they took power, and there leader happened to have a fucked up hatred for all things Jewish. The symbol in its own right means so many other things than death and murder, originally, quite the opposite.

I agree with Gren, and it makes you think. Very likely there are Vietnamese that view the Americans in the same way people view the Nazis, in the same way, can't imagine how people viewed the Romans, the Mongolians, the Spanish (Cortez), the British etc. etc. You get Empires only one way...
Difference, we remember the Nazis and Vietnam, and we were on the "good" side in Vietnam.

[Solo Wing Pixy]

Difference, we remember the Nazis and Vietnam, and we were on the "good" side in Vietnam.

there is no good side,

[Dragon93]

Hence the speech marks...

[Apex]

You guys should seriously rethink your attitudes. Calling what the Nazis did childs play? Are you fucking crazy? Holocaust and WW2 were absurdities on a scale which have never happened before and after. Dont try to compare that to the fucking mongols. Even if there is only a slight similarity, or if there are other genocides beside that, how can you with that almost approve the swastika and everyhing it stands for?

And Waffen, this has nothing to do with censorship. You can use that skin if you want to. I would not even have said anything in this thread, but the screenshots and its focus on just showing nice angles of the swastika just seemed pervert too me and I had to express my disgust.

[31stPzGren]

Calling what the Nazis did childs play? Are you fucking crazy? Holocaust and WW2 were absurdities on a scale which have never happened before and after.

Unfortunately, no. The holocaust and WW2 were not on scales which have never happened before. Just take a look at things like the crusades, the mongol invasions, stuff like that. Consider as well that the population was a lot smaller back then as compared to even the early 20th century and you'll realise that what the nazi's have done could have been just child's play.

There has always been a long history of racism, of genocide all the way from the earliest human cultures, to things more modern such as the Boer War (go read about what the british did), colonialism, etc etc etc. Just because you label someone else as a "sub-human" and "inferior" does not make them any less human.

Even if there is only a slight similarity, or if there are other genocides beside that, how can you with that almost approve the swastika and everyhing it stands for?

I don't most of the people here approve the swastika and everything it stands for.

but the screenshots and its focus on just showing nice angles of the swastika just seemed pervert too me and I had to express my disgust.

Drawing a relation between these and modern media... I think modern advertisement revolves a lot around the concept of "sex sells" and depending on which standards you follow, it can be either quite accepted or outrageous. If you think the swastika is perverted, almost everything in modern media is the same as well.

[Fingertrapped]

That said, the use of the swastika in a media portraying related or fictional events is not unlawful, AFAIK. In this particular situation, I do not see any ideological views or messages of hate being intentionally coupled with the use of the svastika other than what we can draw or produce from it by association and prior knowledge.

Doing some quick searches on the norwegian database of judicial jugdements and laws, I could not find any laws or sentences indicating that the use of the svastika is prohibited as a symbol used in a computer game or

This may be different from country to country and also a result of a superficial search by me.

However I believe several countries have laws against promoting racistic messages, including Norway.

Reading some of the earlier replies in the thread seems to point towards a understanding of the german wehrmacht and kriegsmarine as plain soldiers doing their duty in a war.

Although I have no knowledge of the german navy and their behaviour in WW2 related to war crimes, I have read much literature supporting the idea that the german ground forces including the common wehrmacht soldiers indeed like the SS and similar suborganizations commited war crimes like the unjust killing of civilians or executions. Whether they liked it or were forced to by officers or trapped in a situation without choices is besides the point. Wehrmacht soldiers were part of actions like this during WW2.

I can recommend works on this subject if anyone is interested.

[Schultz]

Yeah Dragon i know what the symbol is and its ancient origin.
This is about SS carying it tho which renders the thematic agenda a little to the specific dont you think.

And yeah what smokaz said.

P.S 31st, compairing attrocities on a scale serves what purpose exactly ?

[Mysthalin]

Agree to disagree shultzz, apex, 31st.
To you two it might seem that the swastika is attrocious, and you do not want to see it. However, I do not think it is fair for you to deny anyone's right to download the swastika model on the unit if they want to do it - it's a free world, with free media.
The swastika here was not portrayed in an offensive manner, nor was it pushed upon the people intending to download the model - the creator actually declared he is not officially releasing the swastika version of the model. He pointed out that the only reason it's "front and center" is because it's an achievement of his - he managed to integrate a working APP file which works online, meaning he can incorporate other symbols(such as the eagle or just rank insignia) onto his skins.
Yet again, apollo has stated the swastika is for personal use only, and sendable over e-mail if anyone WANTS it. He's not forcing it on anyone.
Please stop the off-topic'ness of who was worse - the mongols or the crusaders or the nazis or leeroy. I for one could detest the teutons(and thusly see the christian cross as a perverted sign of evil) for what the teutonic knights have done to Lithuania. Or I could see anyone posting the color red as perverted bastards insulting the people that have been under soviet occupation. But I don't, and neither should you see a swastika as an insult unless it had been posted under the words "suck on this, you freaking jew".

[Marine.Apollo]

You guys should seriously rethink your attitudes. Calling what the Nazis did childs play? Are you fucking crazy? Holocaust and WW2 were absurdities on a scale which have never happened before and after. Dont try to compare that to the fucking mongols. Even if there is only a slight similarity, or if there are other genocides beside that, how can you with that almost approve the swastika and everyhing it stands for?

And Waffen, this has nothing to do with censorship. You can use that skin if you want to. I would not even have said anything in this thread, but the screenshots and its focus on just showing nice angles of the swastika just seemed pervert too me and I had to express my disgust.

Even though i created this i must say that out of this entire discussion, apex is the only one-speeking sense, the rest of you are trying to make excusses for the symbol and that just doesn’t work. Once the nazi party used the swastika its fait as a hate symbol was sealed in the western world. I do agree with apex that the nazis are one of the worst groups in modern history and to compare them with other groups that have little modern significance is straying from the point.

Also APEX i did not intentionally mean to "show the swastika in a nice angle" i simply wanted to take screen shots of the units fulfilling there combat roles in a way that is visually appealing. The reason you see the swastika is becouse of its color in relation ship to the coat, no matter what angle i take the screen shot on your eye will always go there. I cannot take a pic from the other side or as it would ruin the lighting and all you would see is a black solute.

if you wish apex i will take new screen shots, but in no way do i mean to glorify the swastika or the nazis in general.

[Rahx]

Agree to disagree shultzz, apex, 31st.
To you two it might seem that the swastika is attrocious, and you do not want to see it. However, I do not think it is fair for you to deny anyone's right to download the swastika model on the unit if they want to do it - it's a free world, with free media.
The swastika here was not portrayed in an offensive manner, nor was it pushed upon the people intending to download the model - the creator actually declared he is not officially releasing the swastika version of the model. He pointed out that the only reason it's "front and center" is because it's an achievement of his - he managed to integrate a working APP file which works online, meaning he can incorporate other symbols(such as the eagle or just rank insignia) onto his skins.
Yet again, apollo has stated the swastika is for personal use only, and sendable over e-mail if anyone WANTS it. He's not forcing it on anyone.
Please stop the off-topic'ness of who was worse - the mongols or the crusaders or the nazis or leeroy. I for one could detest the teutons(and thusly see the christian cross as a perverted sign of evil) for what the teutonic knights have done to Lithuania. Or I could see anyone posting the color red as perverted bastards insulting the people that have been under soviet occupation. But I don't, and neither should you see a swastika as an insult unless it had been posted under the words "suck on this, you freaking jew".

I agree.

Oh geez, it's so funny to see all those people discussing about shit and still have no idea what they're talking about. Mysthalin, in this case, is damn right and I hope that more people should realize that thinking before posting their comments, is and stays "a must".

"it's a free world, with free media."

QFT.

[Schultz]

Indeed rahxy,
when the funny part is that noone ever said anything about not downloading and using it.