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[panzerjager1943]

There is no such thing as flamethrower resistance. Flamethrowers ignore all target types, so it can't be affected. There is no solution to making flamethrowers less powerful vs. that Infantry without changing target types, and flamethrowers ignore all target types (even have a bonus vs. Elite Infantry.) You can reduce recieved damage or accuracy, but there's no way for you to tell the game 'only this weapon is not as powerful against us.'

Removed Scout Car vet2 'puma' targettype change.

[Mgallun74]

There is no such thing as flamethrower resistance. Flamethrowers ignore all target types, so it can't be affected. There is no solution to making flamethrowers less powerful vs. that Infantry. You can reduce recieved damage or accuracy, but there's no way for you to tell the game 'only this weapon is not as powerful against us.'

ya, i was thinking that would be goofy to give vet upgrades where guys dont get burnt as much.. maybe they would get new flame retardent suits? lol.

[EscforrealityTLS]

I thought the British and PE infantry armour type made them more susceptible to being burned. If so could changing the armour type that the support units have not achieve what Salan is asking for?

[panzerjager1943]

ya, i was thinking that would be goofy to give vet upgrades where guys dont get burnt as much.. maybe they would get new flame retardent suits? lol.

Yea, Panzer Grenadiers would finally learn how to wipe off that gasoline they always seem to get themselves covered in.

I thought the British and PE infantry armour type made them more susceptible to being burned. If so could changing the armour type that the support units have not achieve what Salan is asking for?

That's sorta right. PGs and Tommies have much less health than standard Infantry. The thing about Soldier Armour, is against most weapons, they will take less damage, making them seem much tougher than standard troops. So when a weapon ignores soldier armour, it absolutely demolishes them (especially Panzer Grenadiers and Fallschirmjager) as it has no penalty to deal less damage.

[agtmadcat]

I'm still on the fence about the priest.  I'm going to push for the RoF increase during a barrage, because that's really how the priest shines.  Let it get the shots off, even with semi-horrid accuracy, but let it move about.  With cooldown bonuses and RoF increase, it becomes a very beautiful tool.  That's something I can work with.

actually you know, if it shot all its shots faster, it wouldn't matter if they spread like they do, they would still have higher % chance to actually hit something before they moved.

i'll change it.

Good point, I'd be happy to play with that, hopefully it'll provide the needed boost... now I have to go buy a priest and vet it up... =)
-AGT

[panzerjager1943]

Minor tuning to Artillery. Priest gets Reload 0.85 at vet2.

[gamesguy1]

Commando smoke recharge implemented, Accuracy does not make a difference on Artilery. This is because Accuracy on artillery is already 1.0 all ranges; the spread of Artillery is determined within the firing ability and so cannot be tuned through Veterancy. However a new ability can be given at Vet2/3 which replaces the old one. I'll consider it. Bren Carrier MMG does not get more range, but instead 1.2x health.

Umm what?  Artillery most definately does NOT have 100% accuracy at all ranges.

The priest for example has .25 accuracy at long range, increasing to .75 at short range.  Increasing their accuracy is far better than increasing cooldown or reload, since the allied howitzers can't hit a damn thing.  The 105 had a 50% accuracy buff at vet 1 in EIR for a reason.

Only the hummel has 100% accuracy at all ranges, which is why its so much more accurate compared to allied artillery.

[VariantThirteen]

Bergetiger //can't vet yet
-Vet1 Recieved Damage 0.8
-Vet2 Recieved Damage 0.8, Speed 1.15
-Vet3 Recieved Penetration 0.8, Sight +5

Most utterly gay and useless vet every?

[Tymathee]

nope. Penetration on a croc is the most useless vet ever

[panzerjager1943]

Tell that to Relic.

Bergetiger vet will help it while it's repairing, as it recieves 300% damage while doing so.

[acker]

Relic has been told. Multiple times.

But since when have they ever some out with a speedy and non-drastic solution to a problem  ?

[panzerjager1943]

True. I also have changed the penetration bonus. So let's forget it

[Tymathee]

True. I also have changed the penetration bonus. So let's forget it

i just had to bring that back up just to mess with you .

but the new tables are looking good, can't wait for them to be implimented...might make my vet 2 howie actually useful.

[gamesguy2]

So why does the priest/howitzer/25lbr have received damage/received acc bonuses when the one thing they need the most is accuracy?   You know, the one thing that might make me consider buying vet for them.

[DeadlyShoe]

The priest for example has .25 accuracy at long range, increasing to .75 at short range.  Increasing their accuracy is far better than increasing cooldown or reload, since the allied howitzers can't hit a damn thing.  The 105 had a 50% accuracy buff at vet 1 in EIR for a reason.

Lots of people didn't like the accuracy buff, though. It made it better against hard targets like bunkers or artillery pieces... but it drastically reduced the threat area for the follow on shells. If you didn't hit infantry on the first or second shot you wern't going to hit. By contrast, an inaccurate howitzer can continue to threaten infantry for 3 or 4 shells.

[panzerjager1943]

Recieved accuracy helps against enemy artillery, recieved damage helps against Tank rushes which gives you a better chance to keep your Priest on field.

Instead of Accuracy for priest, we determined that a faster reload was better. It gets 0.85 reload at vet3.

[Tymathee]

i dont like the health, rec dmg, rec acc, i find it silly because you're going to keep ur howie back behind ur lines and usually if something gets near it, they'll decrew it or kill it, no chance to save it.

[panzerjager1943]

This should hopefully give it the chance to be saved.

[acker]

Attacking a howitzer involves tanks, shreks, and (in rare cases) cloaked paks; people almost always try to take out the gun, not the crew. Typically, a howie dies horribly if something reaches it, or that something dies a horrible death trying to reach the howie. The middle ground is almost nonexistent.

Therefore, defensive vet on Howitzers is, in the majority of cases, wasted on them.

On an unrelated note, this will become even more pronounced after doctrinal artillery is added in. If a Howie gets seen for more than half a second, it will die from a Firestorm, Rocket Artillery, V1, etc. No matter how much vet the howie may have.

[AmPmAllied]

Again with crappy vet.

Vet should make a unit better at its role. Not attempt to make up for its counters and weaknesses. Then you remove the interest of using units to counter other units.