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[Two]

Explain the 1v1 spamming please, i fail to see it.

piospam (not anymore), riflespam (called a tactic), rangerspam (fixed) volksspam with medbunker

i did the last thing today (it was a 2v2 AT but common in 1v1 too) was fun....

volksspam without T2 (only for teching and "backtech" to T2 when real armor is on the field) with medbunker and fuel into inf vet and terror doc is awesome

only thing that can really counter that is a quick counter wsc and calli later

EiR is more spammy then vcoh later game

[Mysthalin]

Don't play on St. Hillaire - it's not the game that's broken, it's the map : it's absolutely shit.

McGechaen's mortar pit is also counterable - called fast marder.

[salan]

EIR is Vcoh LATE game.. there is no representation of Vcoh early game..

[Killer344]

EIR is Vcoh LATE game.. there is no representation of Vcoh early game..

At the beginning you could consider EIRR a T3 vCOH game tbh ...

[RikiRude]

hear hear leaf. that sums up my thoughts well. vcoh just does not feel tactical at all for me, i can't take the games seriously with the spam, i didnt mean 1v1 is spammy, i only played a few and they were fine, but my favorite aspect of EIRR is that the most fun and tactical games i have in EIR are 3v3 I think that is where eirr shines. vcoh on the other hand shines at 1v1, but to me it just isn't as fun.

OK where is the spam? i just played a 1v1 where the wher play spammed MGs, he had 5 of them, mgs flame pios, and goliaths, that's all he built. by the time I got sniper/mortar, i was too far behind to catch up, it was fucking retarded.

[NightRain]

hear hear leaf. that sums up my thoughts well. vcoh just does not feel tactical at all for me, i can't take the games seriously with the spam, i didnt mean 1v1 is spammy, i only played a few and they were fine, but my favorite aspect of EIRR is that the most fun and tactical games i have in EIR are 3v3 I think that is where eirr shines. vcoh on the other hand shines at 1v1, but to me it just isn't as fun.

OK where is the spam? i just played a 1v1 where the wher play spammed MGs, he had 5 of them, mgs flame pios, and goliaths, that's all he built. by the time I got sniper/mortar, i was too far behind to catch up, it was fucking retarded.

Bad luck I'd say.

Goliath, flamepio and MG spam seems to work quite well...

[Mysthalin]

as I said, ignore HMGs until they're unignorable, or instantly get yourself a counter, rather than wait till you can't ignore them anymore...

Piospam only ever worked vs brits, and goliaths??? How ARE you letting him get 125 munitions for each of his goliath in the first place? :S

[31stPzGren]

You've just been pwned by Mysthalin for being a nub! Honestly, whats your rank in 1v1 automatch?

[RikiRude]

it was ridiculous i tell you! I started off with 2 engs and started building rifles. I go to one side of the map (it was langes btw) and he has an MG in the building, I think ok no big deal. I can flank this MG no problem, I go to flank it, and after a few shots at it... another MG, so I say forget that side of the map go back to base and get my supply yard out I go to start capping the other side... and he has MGs in both those buildings, I'm like wtf. Then I'm pretty much surrounded by MGs, I can't flank any of them because they are in houses so I back tech to WSC, and then just said fuck it I knew the next thing would of been some kind of ostwind or some other kind of spam. my rank is 7 for US, I just never came across MG spam like that, if I knew that was the only unit he was going to produce, I would of gone straight to WSC instead of supply yard. It's def a one trick pony because I won't let it get me again.

[31stPzGren]

Your mistake was going Supply Depot. Usually when I play Americans, its either instant tech to motorpool + M8, or just slow tech rax + wsc.

Getting grenades at that time could do more good for you, allowing you to flush out the MGs over the hedgerow the middle of the map if I'm not wrong.

You should also get a couple of engineers with flamethrowers to swarm a particular spot. The idea of americans if u ask me, is to swarm and overwhelm the wehr in a sector and then slowly over run the rest.

I'm lvl 10 1v1 on both allies and axis currently.

[gamesguy2]

as I said, ignore HMGs until they're unignorable, or instantly get yourself a counter, rather than wait till you can't ignore them anymore...

Piospam only ever worked vs brits, and goliaths??? How ARE you letting him get 125 munitions for each of his goliath in the first place? :S

1.7 piospam was quite powerful.

[Unkn0wn]

Your mistake was going Supply Depot. Usually when I play Americans, its either instant tech to motorpool + M8, or just slow tech rax + wsc.

How do you 'fast tech' to Motorpool without getting a Supply Yard first...?
Unless they changed this since I last played vCOH on a serious level

[BigDick]

eh i think it is obviously enough that the supply depot has to be build before the TD or MP

otherwise a M8 would come before wehr even had the ressources to build anything that could counter it (except fausts)

[31stPzGren]

How do you 'fast tech' to Motorpool without getting a Supply Yard first...?

I'm just saying that he should either go instantly, Supply Yard --> Motorpool --> M8, or don't bother at all... while it does give you some benefits of a upgrade decrease, it isn't worth setting yourself back 100 Manpower which can be used for grenades.

[Solo Wing Pixy]

1vs1 in vcoh are pretty easy ikf your allies, i usually go with engies+flamers+Airbourne+m8 or Quad=WIN, shrecks are too expensive to counter quads that early in the game

[Mysthalin]

paks, however, aren't. Especialy since you can even get StuGs by then(not to mention paks!), as well as Marders.
(15+50+45=110 fuel for MP 130 FU for first Quad, 140 FU for first greyhound, 15+35+50+35=135 for the Sturm Armory 170 for first Puma, 185 for first StuG, 20+30+40=90 fuel for marders, 130 FU for first marder)

[31stPzGren]

Not true, Thats only if you assume that they don't get their veterancy. Support Weapon Vet 1 does wonders for your MGs.

Unvetted Wehr troops are quite poor against americans. Even if you brought up a puma or stug, a combination of rifles w/ Bars + ATG can easily set back the wehr player significantly. Add some elite infantry (AB/Rangers) the wehr will have a really tough time without T2 imo.

[Sach]

btw have stats been reset to lvl 10 again? I suddenly find myself the 63rd best US 1v1er which I would like to say was pure skillz but its not.

[Killer344]

Yes.. and some stats are also bugged... :p.

[Two]

Draken drophacking me :p

http://files.filefront.com/2p+semois2009+04+0513+16rec/;13537018;/fileinfo.html


Im sure it was just a server issue.