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[gamesguy2]

Was there a reason the soldier armor change was reverted?

My PGs have 55 hp and melt in 2 seconds against flamers again...

All the old balance problems with soldier armor just came back.

[panzerjager1943]

Try a Light Vehicle for support. I'm sure every PE player has plenty of Armoured Cars; Infantry Halftracks and hell, even Scout Cars, can stop engineers.

[gamesguy2]

Try a Light Vehicle for support. I'm sure every PE player has plenty of Armoured Cars; Infantry Halftracks and hell, even Scout Cars, can stop engineers.

I already use light vehicles for everything, this change will have a minimal impact on me.

So its the position of the balance team that its ok that an entire faction's infantry is more or less useless unmounted due to its advantage in other areas?   I just want to clarify.

[BigDick]

there are some bigger problems oon soldier armored infantry (PE, british)

why the hell a tommie squad has 100% more health of a panzergren squad and costs only 50% more on same armor type with better upgrades? Same with popcap 100% more health on 25% more popcap!

rifleman the similar...100% more health 25%more pop for 14% more price
they don't have soldier armor but soldier armor give no 100% boost to equalize that

[Lt_Apollo]

wtf, PGs just became an effective unit now you remove that by reverting them to there crapy non effective state. sory for the outburst but it was changed for a reasion.

[Mysthalin]

Riflemen health = 55 per man.
PG health = 55 per man, soldier armor type.
Tommie health = 65 per man, soldier armor type.

I don't see 100 percent more health anywhere.
If you're going to compare squad healths, then :
AB squad - 420 health.
KCH squad - 270 health + elite armor type!
Commandos - 390 health + soldier armor type!
150 extra health on AB squad compared to KCH, and KCH cost so much more than AB!!!!
120 extra health on commandos compared to KCH, and KCH cost around the same as commandos!
NERF AB + commandos NAO!!!! KCH UP!!!!

Seriously Big, lie down before you hurt yourself.

The soldier armor revert is indeed a very bad thing. Flamers will eat them apart in mere seconds, tanks will have the best time ever kiting them, not to mention mortars and other artilery isntantly gibbing them by hitting somewhere 10 km away from the infantry.

PE will frankly have to resort to pure vehicle spam - there'll be no more point in infantry, other than for capping and repair(both can be done by other vehicles, btw), and to sink the overdue manpower in. Panzerjagers post only supports this view, to be honest(sorry if it seems offensive, pzjg) - spam light vehicles and your infantry may seem useful as a meat shield.

Brits... well, they'll frankly be back to square 2(two, not one). Their infantry will become rather subpar again(Agreeably, they were a bit overkill for the past while, needed around 5 HP per man nerf on all of their infantry), and the brits will have to resort to emplacement and tank spam.
 
Kangaroos will probably alleviate this, somewhat, but I just don't know for now, as it will rightfully be nerfed before it's implemented in EiR...

Brits lack breakthrough units again now - no more artilery for them, if you're not RCA, and the AVRE at 135 seconds... is still frankly overkill long. Commandos, having become almost useful with normal armor, won't get near an HMG to nade it fast enough with soldier armor again. So, the only stalemate breaker is the RCA for the brittish.

Mobile AT? Well, I guess with sappers havign their armor type reverted they're no good against tanks again - too easily killable. The 6 pdr is a welcome addition, though, replaces the now useless tetrarch as an alternative to PIATs.

Least the brits can hold territory now - what with the new HMG, though moving the mortar pit to RSE will rather impair that - not by too much, though. I hope.
That is, at least, my views on what's going to happen.
The number of PE players will start deteriorating again, the brits as well, till it's america vs wehrmacht again, with the occasional nubbie going for either brits or PE. I'm gonna stay PE, just because I like the kettenkrad, but nothing's making me go back to brits now. I don't want to rely solely on camping to win.

[Schultz]

This is more than evident. I fully agree. PE suck..
Theres a reason halftracks work in vcoh panzerjager. Reinforcing and fast repairing..

P.S glad you could see it for yourself mysta

[Mysthalin]

Schultz, contrary to what you believe, I am not an allied fanboy .
That means, yes, I can see problems from both sides .

[Lt_Apollo]

i just dont get it. we reach a point where infentry for the PE become viable and the go ahead and nerf them, why? now the PE just lost any sort of combat effectivness they had. i personaly love PE but these changes well they are frankly imo BS.

if your going to give PE soldier armour BOOST THERE HEATH. 55hp per man on a 3 man squad (4 man if upgraded) How Is this even compariable to anything anymore. with PE forced to rely on veichles it basicly removes all versitility from the army and forces a single playstyle of light vechle spam that while diffrent is a HANDICAP in every balanced game.

[EIRRMod]

It is being looked into

But basically, Brits or PE cant just wade into the fight anymore and expect to win.
(Actually, they cant cower behind cover or ANYTHING now and win either... but hey...)

Please post some examples / observations you guys have had on the revert for the PE and Brit troops.

[Mysthalin]

2 flamer engies, costing less than a 4 man Assault gren squad, taking up 1 more popcap, and having twice the availability, would instantly rape them even before the soldier armor revert.

You really want me to post an observation of death within 0.5 seconds instead of 2 for the assault gren?

[Schultz]

Oh i never believed that myst..

Anyway, my other issue/observation having to do with PE is halftracks getting 2 shot down by atgs. I dunno if this has changed in a hot-fix. But yeah, how can you have your "mobile mg" fight on the front along your pzgrens when an atg can wtfpwn it instantly. How can you have proper support of your troops ?

And look at the at capabilities of pe now. Tank busters drop like flies.
Marders get killed by atgs and circle strafed by everything. You'd have to rely to panthers for decent at.
I'd say if atgs can kill marders so easilly fix the accuracy of marders so that they can effectively retaliate.

[Mysthalin]

My marder killed an ATG after getting stickied and shot at by the ATG first yesterday .

[BigDick]

there are some bigger problems oon soldier armored infantry (PE, british)

why the hell a tommie squad has 100% more health of a panzergren squad and costs only 50% more on same armor type with better upgrades? Same with popcap 100% more health on 25% more popcap!

rifleman the similar...100% more health 25%more pop for 14% more price
they don't have soldier armor but soldier armor give no 100% boost to equalize that

Riflemen health = 55 per man.
PG health = 55 per man, soldier armor type.
Tommie health = 65 per man, soldier armor type.

pleaaaaassseee go to an optican of your choice and get glasses

pzgrensquad = 165Health cost=175MP  Armor=soldier pop=4
tommisquad = 325 Health cost=265MP  Armor=soldier pop=5
riflesquad = 330 Health cost=200MP     Armor=infantry pop=5


and now do the math

[Mysthalin]

AB squad - 420 health.
KCH squad - 270 health + elite armor type!
Commando squad - 390 health + soldier armor type!
150 extra health on AB squad compared to KCH, and KCH cost so much more than AB!!!!
120 extra health on commandos compared to KCH, and KCH cost around the same as commandos!
NERF AB + commandos NAO!!!! KCH UP!!!!

Selective quoting's a bitch, isn't it bigdick?

[BigDick]

AB squad - 420 health.
KCH squad - 270 health + elite armor type!
Commando squad - 390 health + soldier armor type!
150 extra health on AB squad compared to KCH, and KCH cost so much more than AB!!!!
120 extra health on commandos compared to KCH, and KCH cost around the same as commandos!
NERF AB + commandos NAO!!!! KCH UP!!!!

Selective quoting's a bitch, isn't it bigdick?

learn2read bob, you mixed in airbornes kch whatever

titel is soldier armor
and you quoted me where i compared pzgrens to tommis and rifles

[Mysthalin]

you don't get it, do you? never compare squad health, compare entity health, but not squad health. Frankly, there can be a squad of 30 men, each with 10 HP. They'll die horribly.

[BigDick]

actually it is the other way

but yeah i've to teach you some math

it doesnt matter if a weapon do 10 damage or 150 damage than they need to get hit 30 times to die
same to "headshots" or splash

small squads are always in a disadvantage

[Mysthalin]

frankly, having a squad of 30 men each with 10 health would be hardly as useful as a 6 man squad, each with 50 health, with the obscene ammount of splash damage weapons and automatic weapons this game has. If this game only had sniper rifles, then yes, it would be rather badass to have a low-health-per-man and high unit size squad, but right now - send a G43 squad at a 30 man 10 health per man squad, and the huge squad will get raped within seconds. If you don't believe me, test it via corsix mod studio.

Frankly, my comparisson of KCH to AB is quite correct.
Frankly, I don't know why I'm arguing with you.
*End derail*

[Killer344]

...tbh, I give a shit about this change, 99% of the times, I don´t use my PE infantry, although, their infantry could use a pop cap reduction to stand a chance...