Why do allies suck?

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[acker]

I KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF LACK OF ALLIES!

Axis mirrors! Now EVERYONE can have volks and mg42s.

This is actually a good idea. Forcing people to create, use, and play two companies on both the Allied and Axis side would definitely help out balance. A moment...

No no <3, on a more serious note... We are looking into the issue.

That's all I needed to hear.

[Malevolence]

Yes PE are OP in vCoh but are Wehr really better then america in 1v1?
you can always get back from the brink of defeat as america i found but as Whermacht you can't afford to make one mistake.

Bit of an old and slightly off-topic quote -

Yes, Wehrmacht was always just as good as US. Their MG play coupled with some simple wire could completely shut a US player down in the early game, I've done it and occasionally had it done to me. Even the best players can't always beat well-used Machine Guns with a bit of support on their side.

As for the "Make US more desirable to play", it'd be nice if you didn't keep taking ideas that were meant for US like Fall-Cloak 57mm and giving them to other factions like British.

[AmPM]

Take 57mm, give it in cover cloak, apply AP round bonus to first shot from stealth. Increase price 30mu.

Woot!

[acker]

Another note:

American MG damage is exactly 2 DPS faster than Wehr DPS at long range. At medium and short range, Wehr DPS is actually higher, by .9 and 7 respectively.

[Malevolence]

Take into account reloading, as well. Extended DPS is probably in the .30 cal's favor, if barely.

MG42 doesn't do more suppression per shot, or more damage per shot, it just shoots three times faster.

[Killer344]

Damn.. stacking as allies is OP, all axis players are used to noobstomps, even the good ones.

[acker]

Take into account reloading, as well. Extended DPS is probably in the .30 cal's favor, if barely.

MG42 doesn't do more suppression per shot, or more damage per shot, it just shoots three times faster.

I think that you are incorrect.

http://wiki.coh-stats.com/index.php?title=MG_DPS

In terms of extended DPS as well, the MG42 also wins.

[Malevolence]

Note that many weapons listed below have very long cooldown or reload times, which can decrease the average damage greatly.

[acker]

...Which actually favors your original sentence.

Take into account reloading, as well. Extended DPS is probably in the .30 cal's favor, if barely.

Short-term or long-term DPS, the MG42 deals more damage. Unless you want to do long-range long-term DPS for the MG42/.30 cal, in which case you can see the difference in the above table.

EDIT:

FUCK. Forgot to take into account the target table. .30 cal HMG has a 1.0 modifier against Infantry targets, while MG42 has a .75 modifier. You are correct, if for a different reason than what you said.

[gamesguy2]

FUCK. Forgot to take into account the target table. .30 cal HMG has a 1.0 modifier against Infantry targets, while MG42 has a .75 modifier. You are correct, if for a different reason than what you said.

Which is countered by the fact that allied squads are larger, and the MG42 gets a 25% additional accuracy bonus vs 6 men rifle squads compared to 30cal shooting at a 4 men grenadier squad.

[Malevolence]

Which is countered back by the fact that the .30 is still more accurate than the MG42 incremental target bonus included.

I'm not going to bother arguing over whether or not .30 gets more benefit out of less reloads or not, it's not worth my time and is really off-topic to the thread because sustained DPS is of little concern, attacks rarely last an entire minute, much less longer, where the MG42's terrible amount of reloading becomes an issue.

[Baine]

I don't think other changes are needed right now. Allies were fine, and i mean, you already have your new Pak that doesn't move.

Relic did a good job on balancing Wehr and US, the real problem lies in PE and Brit.

I fear that you are overdoing it with Wehr and US.

[Guderian]

As said, Allies does not suck. It is just that so many goes werch.
And new players have hard time adjusting.


I mean look in the launcher. Its abundant of werch. Not axis, just werch.

[chefarzt]

Its like Blitzkreig.

[Mgallun74]

I (USVCorps) will always play american... win or lose, so at least i wont quit, iam getting alittle better..    i think...  lol...  my company setup i think is getting stale, may need to spice it up some...

[Bubz]

Just call everything the Big Nazi Army  and you always get the point.

[Two]

Yet the large majority of those wehr are old players who did play allies back pre EIR:R

[Flashpoint Gold]

I have a suggestion:

How about all of you that scream the other side is OP actually play the other side for a little while. Then you would actually(or hopefully) know what you are talking about instead of being fanboy-ish.

P.S.- If you don't do this, don't talk about balance. Simple as that.

[31stPzGren]

I think its the advantages that screws things a little bit over.

[Tymathee]

I like what flashpoint said, if the other side is so easy, I'd like to see you play as them and see how "easy" it is.