I think stormtroopers need a nerf

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[#Freek]

Yes, you heard me.

Your excellent defensive position, covered by ATG's MG's and m10's is useless when 1 stormtrooper, which walked right through your killing field undetected, uncloaks, rapes your MG's and/or ATG's and then melts away with impunity shortly followed by a tank rush.

I think stormtroopers should get a nerf of somekind, increased price/reduced availability.
1) Limits on the cloak [in cover? timer on recloaking (like bar suppression)]
2) Limits on what they can use [shreks, stg44s, nades]
    So as to prevent insta-raping, and give the ally some time to react.
3) Reduced health/whatever making them easier to kill, reducing their ability to just gtfo by retreating, better watch your vetted troopers more.

Because right now, it's absurd, the troopers can kill almost anything that walks near them with impunity, and with a cloak to escape punishment.  No one is going to spam jeeps and barbwire around the map, jeeps are for snipers and mortars, not invisible squads of Do0m.

Last game I lost:
a mortor, randomly walking along a road was gunned down, my rifles were unable to find them after the fact.
2 M10's got shrecked to hell in 5 seconds
1 Quad destroyed, even though it managed to suppress the squads -_-
3 MG's, were facing the 'wrong' way
2 ATG's that died instantly
And thats only what I noticed getting killed, there were probably a few units that just 'dissapeared' while I was busy microing elsewhere...

I managed to maybe run off 3 squads, but couldn't kill a single unit. 
What would axis players think if my SMG'ed rangers uncloaked behind their units and raped them???
At this rate, I don't know why the hell I play as allies... they have *no advantages* whatsoever, axis can whine about [insert 'OP' allied unit], but we all know that every axis unit is superior to it's allied 'counterpart'.

Why does any1 play allies?  Not me, I'm done with this.

[Two]

While your at it buff KT's

[Smokaz]

I am inclined to agree, but I dont know if outright nerfing the unit would be correct. Reinstating their vcoh weakness (supression resistance) however would go a long way into making them harder to use. Right now any noob can use storms because they just cloak and run around the corner without being supressed. Just look at the wehr unit leaderboards, it looks like this:

Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
...

[#Freek]

I am inclined to agree, but I dont know if outright nerfing the unit would be correct. Reinstating their vcoh weakness (supression resistance) however would go a long way into making them harder to use. Right now any noob can use storms because they just cloak and run around the corner without being supressed. Just look at the wehr unit leaderboards, it looks like this:

Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
...

Well, I hope you mean suppressible by normal fire, b/c if they uncloak infront of an MG... well that's just a no0b mistake.  Also, do they recloak when suppressed?

[Killer344]

If I ever see a ranger with smgs uncloak behind me I`d shit on my pants.

[Armfelt]

Just look at the wehr unit leaderboards, it looks like this:

Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
...

I just must mark that allies got even more vet 3 rangers on the leaderboards than the wehr got Storms.

[AmPM]

Infantry vet has nothing to do with a unit being a god, its just about hitting retreat.

Stormies are easy to beat, 1 BAR squad can pin 2 squads in seconds. Second BAR squad kills them off.

Reman weapons with rifles, profit.

[BigDick]

Just look at the wehr unit leaderboards, it looks like this:

Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
Stormtrooper
...

1. to vet units that can retreat is mostly easier than tanks
2. support weapons are killed by artillery
3. most people do not use kch (not cost effective)
4. pios and volks have to less health and to less damage output to vet fast
5. stormtroopers are used to finish off heavy damaged tanks => get xp for one shrek burst and are more tough than grens

=> stormtroopers get faster vet than the other axis units


and afaik they only changed the recover rate from supressed to unsupressed after supressing unit is gone and not the supression resistance like someone said

[Smokaz]

Does anyone see a post from bigdick in this thread? I dont.

Also take notice how there are NO rifles in the leaderboard. Wehr leaderboard consists mainly of super grenadiers and storms.

Also dont expect a lot of neutral opinions here as currently it seems like 90% of all wehr companies are blitz.

[bfhogues]

Whine.
nerf axis because they got a limited use expensive unit that it too hard to kill with my instant bar supression and basic not sucking skill set. nerf the pak becuase it is too hard to arty when it is cloaked. nerf axis inf health becuase sometimes a squad lives through "a" howie shell... i dont want them knowing what vet feels like, i mean with 4 whole men it is so easy to gain vet an allied player could do it.
i poop on your whine.

-Wolfgor

[EscforrealityTLS]

Surly you are referring to grenadiers in the as I see more of them, 6 Stromtrooper squads to 10 Grens? Also You seem to have ignored the fact that there are 9 Rangers squads. By you logic in rangers would need a larger nerf (almost 1.5 times greater) than that of the Stormtroopers?

I fail to see your logic to be honest as you may or may not know most Wehr players play Blitz so most people have Storms yet there are only 5 on the leader board?

[AmPM]

Right now most people play Blitz because it gives the most bonuses.

I play PE, I don't use Stormies, my units all suffer at the hands of Allied assault infantry.

Oh god, NERF rangers, they run up through my lack of MGs and kill my light vehicle in a burst!!! OP!!!! OP!!!

Oh wait, I can counter them with G43 Slow, Incidiery effects, and ATHT Focus Fire...

Just like you can counter Stormies with BARs, Quads, Jeeps, Wire, TTs, Mines, Rangers, Flamethrowers etc.

Stop setting up little closely packed doom forts and expecting them to live if you don't guard your flanks.

[wildsolus]

you can see rangers coming...most of the time stormtroopers appear because the enemy wants them to or you stumbled into them.

[Mgallun74]

the moving while cloaked is lame...  make it where they can only cloak when not moving then we are gold... anytime i unit can walk between two buildings that are covered by hmgs and a rilfe dudes and walk across the open field to pop a howi is... LAME.. 

i know, i know.. mines, barbed wire etc... but meh, things walking around in open or between a heavily guarded area cloaked is LAME..

lololol.

[Armfelt]

well to turn it around... Shouldn´t all infantry units be able to "fire up" then?

[Malevolence]

No, riflemen, volks, and grenadiers are all too cowardly and/or tactically sound to charge down the gullet of a machine gun.

[Scyn]

Storm Troopers will not be changing. Once doctrines are in and other things are balanced out, storm troopers will just be another niche a unit can fill.

[NightRain]

Now that we are at it

Why not as well take off Fire up from rangers if we take cloak away from Stormtroopers? Both do the same thing in the end. I wanna see Rangers without fire up and Storms that can only cloak in cover! That'd be cool! Wait...would it?

[Armfelt]

Storm Troopers will not be changing. Once doctrines are in and other things are balanced out, storm troopers will just be another niche a unit can fill.

agree.

[Akranadas]

What if Stormtrooper cloak was a timed ability, say.... 30 seconds with a 90 second recharge