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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2009, 08:30:00 pm » |
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Umm.. the tiger was not nerfed at all. The reason why the tiger isn't as good as it was is because it currently doesn't have any of the old doctrine bonuses.
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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2009, 08:33:27 pm » |
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damn that is prity bad...are they planning on giving it a buff cause it should be like a pak 88 on wheels but it's more like heavily armored p4 on the field with wats seems like shorter range of fire, i hope they fix it : So much massive fail squeezed into this little paragraph. (1) Prity - It's not fucking hard to spell pretty (2) Pak 88? There is no such thing as a Pak 88. It's a flak 36, or flak 88mm. It's not that hard to get unit names right. (1) i am sorry about that i suck at English, as in at school i never did well (2) i had a mind blank i meant flak 36 but was thinking of the pak gun isntead... i would have at least expected to be as powerful as a panther in hitting tanks but would be able to take more hits. is that not why it cost another 250mp and 135 fuel, i used to love using the tiger but now it is really not worth it. actually, the flak 88 WAS called the pak 88. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_mm_gunso he was right. Any towed at-gun made by the germans was called a "pak" which is short for Panzer-abwehr-kanone, which means, Anti-Tank Cannon. |
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2009, 08:42:42 pm » |
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Umm.. the tiger was not nerfed at all. The reason why the tiger isn't as good as it was is because it currently doesn't have any of the old doctrine bonuses.
ohhh ok so it should be the same as a tiger in vanilla which it is not cause they kill enemy armour just as good as a panther...ah well looks like i am back to omg lol. |
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2009, 08:51:04 pm » |
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Um, can't you just wait for the doctrines that give your tiger some reasonable buffs?
If they would buff it now, it would be OP with the doctrine bonuses.
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2009, 08:57:33 pm » |
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yer i can lol, didn't know they where doing more changes to doctrines, is this all part of 006?
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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2009, 08:58:00 pm » |
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Yes. 006 is going to be quite a large update.
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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2009, 10:00:07 pm » |
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ohhh ok so it should be the same as a tiger in vanilla which it is not cause they kill enemy armour just as good as a panther...ah well looks like i am back to omg lol. The tiger and panther are both unmodified and taken directly from Retail CoH. |
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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2009, 10:54:51 pm » |
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Umm.. the tiger was not nerfed at all. The reason why the tiger isn't as good as it was is because it currently doesn't have any of the old doctrine bonuses.
ohhh ok so it should be the same as a tiger in vanilla which it is not cause they kill enemy armour just as good as a panther...ah well looks like i am back to omg lol. Why does the tiger kill tanks just as much as a panther in vanilla? Because in vanilla a tiger is never the only tank on the field, I've yet to see a tiger that doesn't have 3 of said panthers or P4s in support in vCoH. |
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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2009, 11:48:27 pm » |
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To me the Tiger should be a Support tank for infantry, designed primarily to kill infantry. The Ace should be the anti tank version of it. Set the accuracy of the TA against tanks to higher then it currently is(cause it's bad) and lower it's effectiveness on infantry a bit(not that it's super fantastic awesome here either). Then you have two similar units with different roles in different trees.
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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2009, 12:27:03 am » |
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To me the Tiger should be a Support tank for infantry, designed primarily to kill infantry. The Ace should be the anti tank version of it. Set the accuracy of the TA against tanks to higher then it currently is(cause it's bad) and lower it's effectiveness on infantry a bit(not that it's super fantastic awesome here either). Then you have two similar units with different roles in different trees.
reduce the splash on infantry, make it kill inf as effectively as the pershing does which seems to be snipe 1 guy 25% of the time. Sometimes you get lucky and get two, but that seems pretty rare. |
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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2009, 12:34:49 am » |
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The entire POINT of the Tiger was that it was a Big P4, it can do both. If it doesn't you are better of with a Panther or Ostwind depending on what you want to do.
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« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2009, 12:40:15 am » |
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Are you kidding Ricki, I have had 3 men and even full health vetted Grenadier squads one shoted by pershing splash.
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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2009, 12:58:25 am » |
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with ccts, not alone :p.
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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2009, 01:31:04 am » |
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To me the Tiger should be a Support tank for infantry, designed primarily to kill infantry. The Ace should be the anti tank version of it. Set the accuracy of the TA against tanks to higher then it currently is(cause it's bad) and lower it's effectiveness on infantry a bit(not that it's super fantastic awesome here either). Then you have two similar units with different roles in different trees.
ok but if u buy a tiger u usually have to give up ur panther which in my eyes the tiger was like a pershing and was good both against inf and armour. and since when has it been a mainly inf killer in vanilla it is just as good if not better than a panther vs Armour. i have used it to take out 2 up gunned Shermans and kill them both on there own...so how can it be the same? |
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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2009, 01:32:30 am » |
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micro level in vCoH < micro level in EiR. In EiR, you can expect your tiger to get circled by the shermans, in vCoH you can expect them to stand there and get circled by the tiger . |
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« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2009, 01:48:08 am » |
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cct does not increase the splash..it reduce fire rate...the pershing is awesome against infantry even without cct
tiger ace is not the AT version of a Tiger...it is still better used against Infantry since it does not take much punch
and it is realy not cost effective...
same to tiger im glad to hear that there will be changed something
i want to see more tigers and aces that pay off for their costs on battlefield
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« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2009, 03:40:14 am » |
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Actualy, CCT increases accuracy as well as the ROF, so in theory it helps a bit vs infantry. I'm not sure if accuracy buffs increase splash accuracy, but it definately increases the overall accuracy.
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« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2009, 04:37:45 am » |
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with ccts, not alone :p.
i one shotted grens 4 man gren squad with 100% hp with a pershing, no cct. |
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« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2009, 06:01:05 am » |
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tiger ace is not the AT version of a Tiger...it is still better used against Infantry since it does not take much punch
No one said it 'WAS' the AT version of a tiger, I said it should be to reflect aq difference in the units apart from cost. As it is now you get essentially the same unit type for 2 of 3 doctrines. And yeah the CCT increases accuracy, so even if it doesn;t increase splash it's all going towards the same goal, which means your infantry will just die faster. I have a TA and 4 P4's I do a pretty good job grinding through my enemies AT and then fielding the TA later in a match. works fine for me |
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« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2009, 07:38:20 am » |
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with ccts, not alone :p.
i one shotted grens 4 man gren squad with 100% hp with a pershing, no cct. There's been stuff like an entire ranger squad gibbed by a single panther shell, though . |
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