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[Latios418]

You mean you'll have to use it as intended?

For what it's intended and the price it's at in EiRR, it's horrible weak. It's a glorified Infantry Halftrack with no suppression, Cromwell survivability (which is the worst of any medium tank), and a 150fu cost. There is no reason a halftrack should cost 150fu for light-mediumish tank armour. I wouldn't mind the inability to crush things with it if it weren't for the fact it costs such a ridiculous amount of fuel.

[RikiRude]

so the first strike was 5x penetration?

it should at least be able to penetrate a panther on the first shot.

[Scyn]

It is. It currently is x2 penetration on first strike and +50% damage.

[BigDick]

Gameplay Changes
Geshutzwagon moved to Terror (And, all current units removed
Geschutzwagen suppression tuned to reflect other mounted MGs

i dont know about this one...the geschützwagen is way weaker in eir than vcoh and people mainly started using it because it is a new and funny looking unit

it turns very slow and shoots slow and misses often...actually it is underpowered for its costs but it is always good to have the choice thats why i cannot understand why its terror only now

and what means supression tuned? raised or lowered?

[Akranadas]

The suppression relates to the mounted MG42 on the Geshutz, which deal4 times the suppression of a LMG42, making it a mobile; insta-suppress platform rather than the Anti-Tank platform it is meant to be. This change just stops those people attempting to exploit the above.

[BigDick]

Added M18 camo fix

i hope the price of m18 will be changed to compensate these huge buff

because a cao ambush tank (that is actually usefull in camo because of a turret and not like the hetzer) with 2xpenetration and 1.5x damage for 275MP and 150 fuel is way to cheap

a geschützwagen cannot camo has no turret and is 400mp 200fuel where are the relations?

[Akranadas]

Geschutz and M18 are two different units, aimed to be played completely different from one another.

One does 250 damage per shot, the other does 112.5 if it penetrates

[BigDick]

The suppression relates to the mounted MG42 on the Geshutz, which deal4 times the suppression of a LMG42, making it a mobile; insta-suppress platform rather than the Anti-Tank platform it is meant to be. This change just stops those people attempting to exploit the above.

did you even tried to use a geschützwagen? it has no armor and lower health than a marderIII...it turns very slowly and is complete fucked against a ranger or airbornerush....
(beside that it is fucked against light vehiclespam anyways)

from what i saw the geschützwagen only supressed on close range to give it some more time to get not stickied...ranger and airbornes killed it anyways in 2 or 3 bursts

[BigDick]

Geschutz and M18 are two different units, aimed to be played completely different from one another.

One does 250 damage per shot, the other does 112.5 170 if it penetrates since it penetrates always on first strike with doubled penetration

[Akranadas]

Look Mate, no matter what I say; your going to find something to bitch about. So why should we bother explaining our reasoning behind it?

[BigDick]

Look Mate, no matter what I say; your going to find something to bitch about. So why should we bother explaining our reasoning behind it?

and why are you lieing? the geschützwagen dont does 250 damage it is 150 damage in EiR

[Akranadas]

Lying? No, It a mistake; not a Lie.

My statement still stands

[Hydro]

I will soon check my mechanized scouts aka ninja kettens, yeah artillery and mortar watchmen for the win

[Unkn0wn]

Gameplay Changes
Geshutzwagon moved to Terror (And, all current units removed
Geschutzwagen suppression tuned to reflect other mounted MGs

i dont know about this one...the geschützwagen is way weaker in eir than vcoh and people mainly started using it because it is a new and funny looking unit

it turns very slow and shoots slow and misses often...actually it is underpowered for its costs but it is always good to have the choice thats why i cannot understand why its terror only now

and what means supression tuned? raised or lowered?

You have no clue, the geschutzwagen is amazing.
Learn to use it .

Ask good allied players about it.

[Latios418]

Allied players -tend- to have a bias against axis units, and Axis players -tend- to have a bias against ally units.

Me? I play them all so I have a bias against everything.

[Baine]

Ouch, Kangaroo got hit really hard in EiRR, it's -nearly- useless. The two factors that make it so good in vCoH are it's cheapness and the ability to crush infantry. With both of these removed, the thing is nearly fucking useless (150fu for a cromwell that can't kill anything, requiring a shitload of other resources invested into it to make it able to kill stuff).

Other than that, nice update.

You must be kidding me. That thing was kick ass. You could literally drive into enemy lines, around paks, killing paks with the units in side, while crushing schreck grens under your treads. Pop field repair, unload blob, shoot enemies away around kangoroo, wait for it to be full health again, jump back in, and proceed.

So it's a good change. Not to mention, Two managed to nearly annihilate my complete first call in in a Attack- Defend game (we were attacking) by just driving into my units (they weren't even completely on the field), my pak could only get 1 shot off, so did the gren squad.
After the buff wore off, it killed the pak, crushed some grens and my Flamer pios, and still managed to get away.


And something else, I don't think the GWG does 250 dmg in EiR. I thought they changed it to become a wehr marder.

[Mysthalin]

Geschutzwaggen is/was horribly powerful. It could snipe AT guns, it could snipe down and kite tanks, and it could instapin infantry that's trying to kill it... Rather broken, eh? Now at least infantry can do something about it. Light vehicle spam would be the sole way to break a line of geschutzwaggens, and even then it's unreliable if there's a pak or shrek in support.

It is only 150 damage per shot, but you have to notice what faction it has been given to - Wehrmacht. Wehrmacht never had a lack of AT, and this pretty much "ends it"

[Unkn0wn]

Field repairs was moved to T3 and was swapped with Tungsten Tipping.
Should've never been a T2, oversight .

[Baine]

Geschutzwaggen is/was horribly powerful. It could snipe AT guns, it could snipe down and kite tanks, and it could instapin infantry that's trying to kill it... Rather broken, eh? Now at least infantry can do something about it. Light vehicle spam would be the sole way to break a line of geschutzwaggens, and even then it's unreliable if there's a pak or shrek in support.

It is only 150 damage per shot, but you have to notice what faction it has been given to - Wehrmacht. Wehrmacht never had a lack of AT, and this pretty much "ends it"

Yeah but tbh, that thing sucks, I tried it, because it looked cool, and the Mg suppressed infantry. But believe me, airbornes/rangers eat that thing for breakfast, even with burst bug.
Same with every sort of tanks, if they get close enough, it's basically over, especially light tanks. They can circlestrafe it with ease.
It turns so fucking slow, you need to revert, that means you need wide space behind it to escape. And again, the thing get's sniped itself before it snipes an ATG.
And "supporting that unit" won't help because people will focus fire on it, and it will go down faster than ******'s mother for a ****job.

[Mysthalin]

The GWG has a 50/50 chance to beat an ATG(face it, no such thing as a map with no light/heavy cover whatsoever within a 60 units range). Only problem is, the ATG can't pop self-repairs, so it becomes a shoe in who wins.