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Draken Offline

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #100 on: July 14, 2009, 09:48:21 am »

Meh imo they should just be reverted, wasn't EiR most important rule to don't touch coh stats, only when necessary for very good reason.


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LuAn

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #101 on: July 14, 2009, 10:02:32 am »

Ontopic: i also though that boys at rifle can actually hurt Tanks but no they dont Sad

Another thing is that Boys AT in Kangs or so doesnt change direction like piats do and tends to shoot at infantry instead of tanks.

Offtopic: What where the initial stats of the Boys At? A smaller RR? or the same as RR?


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #102 on: July 14, 2009, 10:18:42 am »

Quote from: Draken on July 14, 2009, 09:48:21 am

Meh imo they should just be reverted, wasn't EiR most important rule to don't touch coh stats, only when necessary for very good reason.

The vCOH ones are incredibly good at sniping infantry, you're saying you want those back?
I don't think we have tweaked the AT power of the rifles.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #103 on: July 14, 2009, 10:19:50 am »

Similar damage to an RR, but very poor penetration against tanks and very good accuracy against infantry (and can be fired on the move, with a magazine size, rather than one shot and reload).

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I don't think we have tweaked the AT power of the rifles.

Please do. Make 'em penetrate rear armor a lot more often and be more reliably effective against vehicles. Whether this is making the squad have two rifles (doubles the hit chance, which against magical phase shield pumas is good), or simply increasing accuracy or what have you, I dunno.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #104 on: July 14, 2009, 10:33:12 am »

I agree this thing is just shit atm, it even fails vs light vehicles and halftracks.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #105 on: July 14, 2009, 10:44:51 am »

They are super good at killing off storms though. Last game they brit used these against all 3 of my storms. Once hp gets low it seems to just pop men right off.


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Draken Offline

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #106 on: July 14, 2009, 10:46:03 am »

Quote from: Blitzen on July 14, 2009, 10:44:51 am

They are super good at killing off storms though. Last game they brit used these against all 3 of my storms. Once hp gets low it seems to just pop men right off.

lol, they killed them with normal rifles, don't forget about other 4 guys wtih enfields, even rifles will kill low hp storms.


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Mysthalin Offline

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #107 on: July 14, 2009, 11:54:42 am »

Aww, draken's sad about his 50 munitions no availability limit sniper rifle upgrade going away Sad

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Honestly, just buff the penetration by 25 percent or so, make it's accuracy vs infantry 25 percent(as had been stated), and not 15 percent that it actualy is.
Then make it have 35 percent more accuracy at all ranges(It's currently at 65 percent at short range) so people can rely on it to hit stuff more often.

Then it'll be fine.


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Draken Offline

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #108 on: July 14, 2009, 12:12:31 pm »

Quote from: Mysthalin on July 14, 2009, 11:54:42 am

Aww, draken's sad about his 50 munitions no availability limit sniper rifle upgrade going away Sad

Maybe we limit bren carreirs to 2, and see what will be your reaction?

Yes I'm sad that my tier 2 (50pps) ability for 50 munis sux so hard when axis has many inft rape squads.

I never found it as real problem on my PE to counter boys at rifle (keeps 11 at rifle tommies), and I dont think that buffing its at capabilities will be good, tbh noone will use it as at, with atgs and piats all around.


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Mysthalin Offline

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #109 on: July 14, 2009, 12:17:49 pm »

I won't give a shit - it losing men inside from pak shots, and 40 fuel a piece meant me getting rid of every single one.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #110 on: July 14, 2009, 03:43:32 pm »

Should give 2 for the upgrade. That way at least if it fails you can have twice as much failure so maybe you can kill something.


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LuAn

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #111 on: July 18, 2009, 05:52:31 am »

Any plans on buffing the Boys AT a bit yet?

For being a handheld Anti-Tank Weapon i cant inflict as much as a scratch on most tanks Sad


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #112 on: July 18, 2009, 06:01:05 am »

Quote from: LuAn on July 18, 2009, 05:52:31 am

Any plans on buffing the Boys AT a bit yet?

For being a handheld Anti-Tank Weapon i cant inflict as much as a scratch on most tanks Sad

we'll have to look at it for sure...


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Malevolence Offline

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #113 on: July 18, 2009, 06:01:46 am »

Boys AT Rifle really needs to pick something to be good at. As it stands it is mediocre at inflicting damage on infantry (about as good as any other vanilla rifle), it is mediocre at inflicting damage on light vehicles (can't hit them), and mediocre at inflicting damage on tanks (can't penetrate even rear armor a lot of the time, including bouncing on Marders, for which it is supposedly rated at 100% penetration from any range - I have seen this extensively occuring, and probably needs addressing as a bug).

I would rather have an expensive weapon that is good at a job than an inexpensive one that sucks at doing anything.


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LuAn

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #114 on: July 18, 2009, 06:05:04 am »

Quote from: Malevolence on July 18, 2009, 06:01:46 am

I would rather have an expensive weapon that is good at a job than an inexpensive one that sucks at doing anything.

Agreed!

On a side node: The Target Table of it may also require some work, because if you put Boys AT into a Kang, the guy with the ATRifle doesnt seem to like shooting at tanks that much.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #115 on: July 18, 2009, 06:13:15 am »

Quote from: LuAn on July 18, 2009, 06:05:04 am

Quote from: Malevolence on July 18, 2009, 06:01:46 am

I would rather have an expensive weapon that is good at a job than an inexpensive one that sucks at doing anything.

Agreed!

On a side node: The Target Table of it may also require some work, because if you put Boys AT into a Kang, the guy with the ATRifle doesnt seem to like shooting at tanks that much.

You don't use the AT rifle for tanks seriously, even before the patch. The only thing it could counter were light vehicles, armored cars, marders and thats about it.


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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #116 on: July 18, 2009, 06:15:03 am »

Quote from: Baine on July 18, 2009, 06:13:15 am

Quote from: LuAn on July 18, 2009, 06:05:04 am

Quote from: Malevolence on July 18, 2009, 06:01:46 am

I would rather have an expensive weapon that is good at a job than an inexpensive one that sucks at doing anything.

Agreed!

On a side node: The Target Table of it may also require some work, because if you put Boys AT into a Kang, the guy with the ATRifle doesnt seem to like shooting at tanks that much.

You don't use the AT rifle for tanks seriously, even before the patch. The only thing it could counter were light vehicles, armored cars, marders and thats about it.

How ironic thats it call Boys AT then


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Malevolence Offline

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Re: Boys AT

« Reply #117 on: July 18, 2009, 06:17:03 am »

Well, it's modelled on the real life version obviously. By the time 1944 rolled around in the war, a boys AT rifle was only reliably able to penetrate rear or track armor, really, but when it was designed it could penetrate the front or side armor of a lot of tanks.