[CW] Some peculiar things regarding balance

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[LuAn]

CCS to buy if they don't already have one.

CSS costs 80mun on Tommies, so Brits already have one.

But i like the concept of a Glider working as a triage center so how about this change:
T3 Glider Triage: After a glider has landed and stayed on the field for X min, it can use the same healing ability like the css Y times (X and Y represent numbers that should fit the balance of other t3's)

This way it cant be used instantly after the glider is dropped but is still remains powerfull.
(In my opinion 1-2 Min wait time and 1-2 uses would fit)


This would apply to every glider, whereas at first this might sound a bit strong considering how many gliders one battalion can field, glider still remain very fragile, but if you look at all the other t3 it would fit quite well.

Or maybe make uses this version move it to T4 (in exchange with Ambush Squad) and make it fit?
(Stronger version. e.g. unlimited use of healing on glider on a 4min cd)


Any thoughts?

[LuAn]

Found something interesting again:

6 Abilities:

Ability Name	Mun Cost	CD/Use
Canister Shot	85	Uses
Focus Fire	40	Cooldown
White Phosphorus	75	Uses
Treadbreaker	95	Cooldown
Creeping Barrage	80	Uses
Incidieary Mortar Round	40	Cooldown

Why is it like that?

[Malevolence]

Disparate levels of rape, I believe.

Canister vs focus fire, the canister happens all at once, which is much more useful for damage than over time. After a focus fire shot or two comes in you can run out of the way, but the first canister is also the last canister. I would support a cooldown, however.

White phosphorous is cheaper but uses because while its long-term effects aren't as potent, its immediate effect is quite powerful as well as being mounted on a strong platform, while tread breaker is on a weaker platform (hence the uses), but its long-term effect is ridiculously potent, so it costs more.

Creeping barrage is clearly much more damaging than incendiary mortar rounds by a factor of ten, so it costs more and is limited in use.

[CrazyWR]

please explain why they can't just put them on different levels of cooldown instead of uses v cooldown...to be honest, all abilities should be EITHER/OR, not randomly one or the other...

[Malevolence]

Either/or? Yes, they are either cooldown or uses :p

[LuAn]

Found something interesting again: (However point of view should be PE this time   )

17Pounder Emplacement Doctrines: Royal Engineers Manpower: 350 Ammunition: 150 Fuel: 0 In reserve: 4 In supply: 2 PP cost to supply: 3 Vet modifier: 180 Upgrades: HVAP Rounds (Cost: 0/55/0) Relocate: Yes

Bofors Emplacement Doctrines: Royal Engineers Manpower: 295 Ammunition: 110 Fuel: 0 In reserve: 1 In supply: 2 PP cost to supply: 3 Vet modifier: 200 Upgrades:    Relocate: Yes

Flak 88 Doctrines: Luftwaffe - T2 Flak Cannons Manpower: 450 Ammunition: 0 Fuel: 220 In reserve: 1 In supply: 3 PP cost to supply: 3 Vet modifier: 180 Upgrades: Medkit (Cost: 0/25/0) Relocate: No

Flakveirling Doctrines: Luftwaffe - T2 Flak Cannons Manpower: 290 Ammunition: 60 Fuel: 0 In reserve: 1 In supply: 2 PP cost to supply: 2 Vet modifier: 200 Upgrades: Relocate: No

Why is it like that?

[Mysthalin]

Because 17 pdrs are useless, 88s aren't .
Both the bofors and the vierling are ultimately useless as well - they could make them 10 In reserve and cost 250 MP only - we'd still not see many.

[CafeMilani]

bofors arent useless!
flakvierling is kinda caus the crew dies too fast and it kills few

[Mukip]

I think the population on Bofors and Flak could be reduced by 1 each.  They aren't much good by themselves and rely on a nearby Flak88 or 6/17 Pounder to keep them safe from tanks.

Perhaps the devs could add the option to buy a combined Flak88/Flackvierling callin which costs 5-6 pop total and has a slightly reduced total price.  Same for Bofors and 17 Pounder.

[LuAn]

Oke now this is very very interesting, for me atleast, and its also a very hot topic but here you go:

T3 Unlocks:
American - Airborne: First to Jump: "Airborne Riflemen available to purchase"
unlocks the following:

Airborne Riflemen
Doctrines: Airborne - T3 First to Jump
Pop: 5
Can airdrop: Yes
Can glider: No
Manpower: 280
Ammunition: 0
Fuel: 0
In reserve: 4
In supply: 2
PP cost to supply: 4
Vet modifier: 80
Upgrades:   
Bar (Cost: 0/80/0)
Grenades (Cost: 0/40/0)
Sticky Bomb (Cost: 0/95/0)

and

Panzer Elite - Luftwaffe: Dropping Heavy: "FJs can purchase a panzershreck"
unlocks the following:

Fallschirmjaegers
Upgrades:
exlusive Panzershrek (Cost: 0/120/0, Ability: T3 Dropping Heavy)

Both of them are T3, yet they are so very different, why is that so?

Thats the unit this Upgrade is purchaseable for:
Fallschirmjagers
Doctrines: Luftwaffe
Pop: 5
Can airdrop: Yes
Can glider: No
Manpower: 250
Ammunition: 0
Fuel: 0
In reserve: 4
In supply: 2
PP cost to supply: 4
Vet modifier: 80
Upgrades:

exclusive FG 42 (Cost: 0/120/0)
Panzerfaust (Cost: 0/35/0)
Anti-building Incendiary Grenade (Cost: 0/30/0)

Luftwaffe only:
exclusive G43 (Cost: 0/60/0, Ability: T2 Handing it over)
exclusive Panzershrek (Cost: 0/120/0, Ability: T3 Dropping Heavy)

[Mukip]

They do different things so I'm not sure what the comparison is here.  One gives airborne a semi-new unit to play with, the other unlocks an upgrade for an existing unit.

Dropping heavy seems seems like a rather lacklustre T3 though.

[Unkn0wn]

In comparison the 'dropping heavy' ability is probably a tad underpowered indeed.
Perhaps it would help if we made it a seperate unit with added availability, allowing users to get more air dropped units in total just like it does for AB players.

We'll be finalising doctrines over the course of the next week or so, once that is completed we will be able to take a closer look at existing doctrine balance, etc

[LuAn]

Unknown thats great news, thank you for answering.

[HansVonLuk]

was the pricing from the pricing list or from the launcher?  I think a FEW have changed.

things like bren carrier are being addressed in P patch, bren MMG as well.
the brens are actually 4 pop in rgds, and were corrected in the sql(launcher).

Thats fine, but remeber that IFHT are the only MGS that PE have.

[CommanderHolt]

Also remember that PE can use G43 Slow which pretty much function as suppression (although only on single squads) and even continues to effect the said unit even if the unit is outside the PGs G43 range until it wears off.

[HansVonLuk]

Also remember that PE can use G43 Slow which pretty much function as suppression (although only on single squads) and even continues to effect the said unit even if the unit is outside the PGs G43 range until it wears off.

What? Not really, units can still move at half speed and can fire back with no negatives. Units suppress rarely leave that area unless retreating.  How is that like suppression?  

[CommanderHolt]

Suppressed units also can fire back with no negatives and both moves pretty much at the same speed despite one crawling and one just does an incredibly stupid slow-mo running kind of thing.

I know these CoHStats are old but I highly doubt that anything has changed since there last update on these things.

http://www.coh-stats.com/basics/suppression.html

http://www.coh-stats.com/factions/panzerelite/abilities/warningshot.html

[Mysthalin]

Suppression also fucks up the unit AI so they crawl around in random directions, ignoring orders. Slow doesn't do that.
On a side note, if you keep shooting with the G43 squad as it slows, you may suppress a unit in within 6-8 seconds or so ^^.
Pop slow on one, suppress the other = profit.