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[Freek]

g43 slow - assault grens/flamers

[deadbolt]

Thats what happens when you blob against me and yet we still lose Blobbing ftl

im offended by the swastikas

[Smokaz]

Flamers dont scratch ab - flamers kill on crits, which means low health.. ab has highest health ingame. Wehr doesnt get g43 slow either, PE doesnt get flamers (mostly). Assault can be dodged easily if you know what you are doing. They are just the kings of hit n run and AT duty, what they cant wear down in small numbers they can alpha strike in great numbers. Snipers doesnt matter that much against 6 man squads, supression doesnt matter too much to fireup.. even if some people consider the shrek equally good to the RR, no axis at infantry is as good as AB.

[Sharpshooter824]

tbh the AB riflemen need to be removed to balance it... AB are superior AT not supposed to be good AI too..

[CafeMilani]

no but when you unlock AB riflemen your AB availability should be reduced

[FailHammer]

Airborne are supposed to be tough lightly armed troops with special weapons allowing them to be very useful. They have always been this way. Allowing AB riflemen means you have a bar platform that is very sturdy and prevents infantry use vs AB. With the increased range of rrs you cannot kite them. 42 range on rrs i think and 40 for most tanks. Strafe pins inf counters and fire-up+ rrs defeats mgs/ armor. All I am saying is that there is hardly any micro needed for the blob to dominate while taking it out is stupidly hard. Add any number of other units supporting and it is gonna be epic if you win. The blob needs little micro, run here, rr that, fire up out of sup, bar the inf, kite tankslol, strafe the inf in cover that may kill a few of you, lolz i win.

Without a batt completley tailored to counter this it is very tough, and even with it is fuckin hard. I played a 3v3 vs 3 ab and we made it 1 field away from spawn. Despite what Dnicee says there are no good counters. Spaming inf is the best way, but then 1 sherman can ruin your day. Arty is a shit counter to anything moblie and is also usually doc related. play vs 3 decent AB and you lose.

I have sacrificed my wifes prize goat in hopes that the burnt offerning will reach the nostrils of EiRRmod and he will hear my plea.

[LuAn]

no but when you unlock AB riflemen your AB availability should be reduced

That would actually make sense, if i remeber it right the first concept of this unlock was to give airborne the possibility to buy bars right? so you would have the same supply but you could equp them with bars and rr.
Now the unlock gives you a whole new unit and new supply.

(You can compare it directly to PE Luftwaffe T3 Dropping Heavy: FJ's can purchase a panzershrek in my opinion)

[pernik]

no but when you unlock AB riflemen your AB availability should be reduced

That would actually make sense, if i remeber it right the first concept of this unlock was to give airborne the possibility to buy bars right? so you would have the same supply but you could pick between bars and rr.
Now the unlock gives you a whole new unit and new supply.

(You can compare it directly to PE Luftwaffe T3 Dropping Heavy: FJ's can purchase a panzershrek in my opinion)

the first concept was that it would give AB 3 BARs without SF... whether with RRs or without them.

And I don't see why it should have been removed, there are counters and after you manage to kill or force those Paras to leave the battlefield that Airborne player will be shortened of loads of resources... it's the EXACTLY same thing as with Axis Heavy tanks...

I say, if anything - remove the oversupply so there just can't be so many Paras on the field (well, in players' battalion) but leave the current In Reserve status as is - I'm using units only in reserve and that doesn't seem to be a problem for most of my opponents.... yeah and if they're gonna do this, they also need to remove oversupply for Axis Heavy tanks

[LuAn]

the first concept was that it would give AB 3 BARs without SF... whether with RRs or without them.

Oke sorry redid my post, but the supply would still remain the same.

[sverker]

pls dont nerf airborn


about the screen shoot we actully lost that game and the airborn bolb aint that imba. If you counter it whit amordcar and knight cross they all die / griss

[Killer344]

What is the PE hardcounter to RR-Hit-And-Run?

Drophack.

[Dnicee]

What is the point of buying First to jump=ab riflemen if you cant buy more ab? Who would be stupid enough to waste one tier 3 on that when you can choose Raid and Bombingrun?

[LuAn]

What is the point of buying First to jump=ab riflemen if you cant buy more ab? Who would be stupid enough to waste one tier 3 on that when you can choose Raid and Bombingrun?

What is the point of buying Luftwaffe T3 Dropping Heavy if you cant buy more fj?
Do you know Dropping Heavy? If yes, do you think it can be compared to Airborne Riflemen?

(Dnicee please try to look at the whole picture instead of just your doctrine)

[Smokaz]

Removing supression fire from airborne riflemen could be a way to go, but then the bar price would have to go down quite a bit for them. Nade price could go to rifle level too then. It makes sense in a way, supression fire is "spamming" bullets and its hard to imagine airborne dropping right into combat with thousands of rounds in their pockets.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_and_how_much_ammunition_was_given_to_the_average_Airborne_trooper_especially_the_6th_Airborne_during_the_D_Day_invasion

Here you go, I was right

[Tymathee]

i want tommy airborne.

[Detrian]

no but when you unlock AB riflemen your AB availability should be reduced

That would actually make sense, if i remeber it right the first concept of this unlock was to give airborne the possibility to buy bars right? so you would have the same supply but you could pick between bars and rr.
Now the unlock gives you a whole new unit and new supply.

(You can compare it directly to PE Luftwaffe T3 Dropping Heavy: FJ's can purchase a panzershrek in my opinion)

the first concept was that it would give AB 3 BARs without SF... whether with RRs or without them.

And I don't see why it should have been removed, there are counters and after you manage to kill or force those Paras to leave the battlefield that Airborne player will be shortened of loads of resources... it's the EXACTLY same thing as with Axis Heavy tanks...

I say, if anything - remove the oversupply so there just can't be so many Paras on the field (well, in players' battalion) but leave the current In Reserve status as is - I'm using units only in reserve and that doesn't seem to be a problem for most of my opponents.... yeah and if they're gonna do this, they also need to remove oversupply for Axis Heavy tanks

Do you think it's normal for a bunch of dudes to be as good as the biggest tank in axis?

What is the point of buying First to jump=ab riflemen if you cant buy more ab? Who would be stupid enough to waste one tier 3 on that when you can choose Raid and Bombingrun?

That's exactly the point. You should NOT be able to buy even more paras.

Removing supression fire from airborne riflemen could be a way to go, but then the bar price would have to go down quite a bit for them. Nade price could go to rifle level too then. It makes sense in a way, supression fire is "spamming" bullets and its hard to imagine airborne dropping right into combat with thousands of rounds in their pockets.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_and_how_much_ammunition_was_given_to_the_average_Airborne_trooper_especially_the_6th_Airborne_during_the_D_Day_invasion

Here you go, I was right

That solution has nothing to do with what has been discussed so far.

[arsonist123]

I want to say something, but this still might be off topic IDK.

No Flame Intended.

I agree 1000% with Detrian, the Player base on Eirr is just annoying!

The way everything is played, I see more and more people Copying each other, Like No-one is original in there tactics or strategy. another point is you guys exploit like mad men.

You guys sort of ruin it with threads like ..... AIRBORNE PLEASE NERF NERF NERF till the point that you made an excessive count of Threads repeating the same thing. This mod is created by EIRR ( and his devteam) not you whiney bastards who want it your way.   Still I would love to see you guys delelte threads that are about the same thing. I think i read 5 threads expecting something different but its the same every time.
oh and in response that that New player problem, I think new players should be given a type of like cooldown thing... They can't play level 8's till they have Stats or something like that? you know?/

like levels 1 Must play with other level 1-5, and must have at least 5 games before going on to play a level 8 Which infact in some sense Demonstrates a sense of realism, a commander would never fight without some expierence, The chief of the army wouldn't recruit a Private straight out of boot camp to lead a squad, no he needs expierence first.

[Two]

I want to say something, but this still might be off topic IDK.

No Flame Intended.

I agree 1000% with Detrian, the Player base on Eirr is just annoying!

The way everything is played, I see more and more people Copying each other, Like No-one is original in there tactics or strategy. another point is you guys exploit like mad men.

You guys sort of ruin it with threads like ..... AIRBORNE PLEASE NERF NERF NERF till the point that you made an excessive count of Threads repeating the same thing. This mod is created by EIRR ( and his devteam) not you whiney bastards who want it your way.   Still I would love to see you guys delelte threads that are about the same thing. I think i read 5 threads expecting something different but its the same every time.
oh and in response that that New player problem, I think new players should be given a type of like cooldown thing... They can't play level 8's till they have Stats or something like that? you know?/

like levels 1 Must play with other level 1-5, and must have at least 5 games before going on to play a level 8 Which infact in some sense Demonstrates a sense of realism, a commander would never fight without some expierence, The chief of the army wouldn't recruit a Private straight out of boot camp to lead a squad, no he needs expierence first.

You need to whine to get shit nerfed, if we didnt post then they'd think the game is balanced....

[Unkn0wn]

I want to say something, but this still might be off topic IDK.

No Flame Intended.

I agree 1000% with Detrian, the Player base on Eirr is just annoying!

The way everything is played, I see more and more people Copying each other, Like No-one is original in there tactics or strategy. another point is you guys exploit like mad men.

You guys sort of ruin it with threads like ..... AIRBORNE PLEASE NERF NERF NERF till the point that you made an excessive count of Threads repeating the same thing. This mod is created by EIRR ( and his devteam) not you whiney bastards who want it your way.   Still I would love to see you guys delelte threads that are about the same thing. I think i read 5 threads expecting something different but its the same every time.
oh and in response that that New player problem, I think new players should be given a type of like cooldown thing... They can't play level 8's till they have Stats or something like that? you know?/

like levels 1 Must play with other level 1-5, and must have at least 5 games before going on to play a level 8 Which infact in some sense Demonstrates a sense of realism, a commander would never fight without some expierence, The chief of the army wouldn't recruit a Private straight out of boot camp to lead a squad, no he needs expierence first.

You need to whine to get shit nerfed, if we didnt post then they'd think the game is balanced....

Not really, we all play the game ourselves

[Two]

Yet if only you thought it was OP you'd ust think you were noobs and needed to l2p