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Author Topic: Riflespam is OP  (Read 9648 times)
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Two Offline
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« on: October 20, 2009, 07:04:17 am »

TRU DAT


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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 07:11:29 am »

Yea, I lost to this, suprisingly, both opponents were low levels, I was only 5 at the time.  But my opening piv had 48 kills, my ostwind had like 20-30, my mortar got 32.  But they still managed to kill everything.  Was pretty funny actually.  How much does that single zook on em cost?
Never lost a game before with 200ish kills and 40 losses.... lol
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 07:32:13 am »

55 muni for a zooka, 10 for a useless smoke nade
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 07:37:55 am »

The zook is very useful if you are flanking with it, and obviously a wehr player would be better off against mass rifles with a ostwind instead of the usual five p4s.

But mass rifles > anything? Hardly. And you'd have to outplay the other guy against a lot of builds.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 07:39:17 am »

Check my image on the Signature.

Think all those rifles with Zooks.

That's Two's Army.

Smoke nade to counter MG spam.

Zooks to counter Ostwind. Ostwind has to knite very well to win that blob
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 07:44:17 am »

Obviously containing a massive blob of rifles that does not split up in 5 different zooks will be easier to manage than anything that attempts to flank, so unless a ostwind doesnt roll over and beg for mercy against a single zook you can have some more units supporting, yeah? Like a ... mg42?
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 07:44:53 am »

and if his ally throws an atg in with the blob gg for ostwinds
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 07:47:58 am »

Great observation slurpee! You 100% managed to miss the premise of the thread!
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 07:49:55 am »

TRU DAT


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Not against tigers lmao.
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Dnicee Offline
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2009, 07:50:45 am »

Why dont you post the replay? I really want some feedback on that one... I

2 usa factions spams riflemen, then we have the brit that have a rather balanced company. with a commando sniper. We had no offmaps btw

So what can you do about that huh?
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2009, 08:01:39 am »

Post it, and the strategy... wait we dont have anything like that, nevermind. I can look at it at least, and give you feedback if you want. I'm sure a lot of other players will be compelled to post as well if you just phrase it like a plea for input.
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Two Offline
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2009, 08:30:06 am »

Dont have it anymore Sad Just played a game and lost it.
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2009, 08:39:15 am »

MG42 with 81mm mortar and tank backup is best bet to beat riflespam. But if you are on a heavily urban map then you have to have attrition fighting which is difficult. On open maps will be no problem owning carbine rifles.

PE with defensive FG42 falls can work but more iffy.

And there's always IA/Zeal robohans with quad LMGs to fall back on if you're terror.
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2009, 10:08:20 am »

id like to see a replay as well!
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2009, 11:10:28 am »

Riflespam is only OP if you dont have enough AI to counter it. A lot of wehr companies are heavy anti vehicle/tank so it makes it kinda easy to just spam rifles and stuff and take things out. Sounds like a fun build though, be awesome to create an infantry company around rifles and zooks and rangers. I used to run a TR bazooka heavy company and i was a tanks worse nightmare, my only issue was AI.

anywho, just try lmg's, mp40's, hmgs' mortars, dont use vehicles, you gotta use the wehr superior weapons to combat them. Heck, flamers would be epic as well
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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2009, 11:16:53 am »

Its really map dependent aswel, some maps are awful for it *stares at bocage*
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2009, 12:18:36 pm »

Riflespam isn't OP.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RF6HVVVB

 It is a legitimate strategy, but it has many different types of hard counters.

 -Wind
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Two Offline
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2009, 12:21:56 pm »

If thats the game we just played that doesnt really prove anything other then firestorms are too random and veng is a crap map.

And riflespam isnt OP, i just made this thread so dnice and kwia will l2p and wont cry whenever i join their games.
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2009, 12:26:52 pm »

If thats the game we just played that doesnt really prove anything other then firestorms are too random and veng is a crap map.


 Well its debatable whether you should have retreated those rifle squads. I see your side of the issue, but disagree personally. Its a matter of opinion more or less with merits to both side.

 As to the replay, I think it shows more than merely those two things. I for one don't mind the map at all, and I think the replay shows two legitimate (but very different) strategies/playstyles employed by Pak and I to counter blob tactics - particularily the riflezook spam.

 -Wind
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2009, 01:31:45 pm »

Dude, your riflespam looks so wimp compared to the old 130mp rifles without the availability system.
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