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[brn4meplz]

Theres a reason you don't buy a brand new car for your kid at 16(let him buy his own!) or why people need to make mistakes on their own. Anything you do yourself or earn has lasting and real value.

The fact we grant the right to vote universally based on such a abstract concept as age is absurd. There is no social conscience, no investment in the system.


Think of EiR as a benevolent dictatorship overseeing a Military Junta.

(EiRRMod's the benevolent one cause it sure as shit isn't me or Killer)

[nugnugx]

So... you're saying its "my way or the high way"? Meaning we should move on and play other games?

Why are you even asking this?  It is not your mod, you are not making it, you are playing it.

Does Honda or Ford ask it's buyers on how to make cars?  no, you buy it and drive it.

[cloud234]

Why are you even asking this?  It is not your mod, you are not making it, you are playing it.

Does Honda or Ford ask it's buyers on how to make cars?  no, you buy it and drive it.

1. It takes 2 hands to clap.

2. They can sue Honda/Ford if it breaks down ^^

@ Brnz

Well, that is indeed true... but we're on the internet. The powers of a military junta do not really hold sway. There isn't say... alternative games which we can't play to EiRR. Choice theory, yes?

I'm not advocating that the public is definitely right. I'm just saying that both sides have a role to play in making things work.

As far as I can see, its both sides blaming each other so far without anyone wanting to work on a solution yet... though to be fair, the "public" are asking for that... though in an overtly strong tone.

[nugnugx]

2. They can sue Honda/Ford if it breaks down ^^

You don't pay for eir.

I'm just saying that both sides have a role to play in making things work.

Our role in making this mod work is maybe 5% which is posting bugs out of whole 95% which is mod work.

As far as I can see, its both sides blaming each other so far without anyone wanting to work on a solution yet

The people that post about balance changes don't blame anyone, they just whine because their favourite unit got nerfed or now they will have to change their company.

[tank130]

1. It takes 2 hands to clap.

2. They can sue Honda/Ford if it breaks down ^^

@ Brnz

Well, that is indeed true... but we're on the internet. The powers of a military junta do not really hold sway. There isn't say... alternative games which we can't play to EiRR. Choice theory, yes?

I'm not advocating that the public is definitely right. I'm just saying that both sides have a role to play in making things work.

As far as I can see, its both sides blaming each other so far without anyone wanting to work on a solution yet... though to be fair, the "public" are asking for that... though in an overtly strong tone.

1.) Then put your two hands together and applaud the countless hours of hard work the Dev team and Mods put into the game that you play FOR FREE

2.) When you PURCHASED your Honda/Ford, it came with a warranty. This warranty will cover defects in workmanship and parts. However, it does not warrant just cause you don't like it or it is not working to pick up chicks. Even massive manufactures put out products that have a couple of bugs. When they do, they have a recall.

3.) Members of the dev team (not me, I am not a member and never have been or implied I am) Have posted they want your input. They just wish that some members would not be such a jackass about it. The large majority of replies from community members have responded in this thread with very strong comments like "this is our mod" or "we have a right to say what ever we want" or "the dev need to suck it up"

So you feel there should be a compromise. What would you suggest this compromise be. Jack ass comments will be accepted Tuesday & Thursday?

I have suggested a compromise, but members of this community have decided to accuse of me of being "the golden boy" instead of accepting the facts that need to be addressed.

Here is what I propose as a compromise to the development team. I am not a member of the dev team and I am not a spokesperson for the community. I am just a player who sees a big problem and wants to offer a solution.

How about this: The community refrains from posting jackass style posts about balance, bugs, doctrines, warmap, launcher, website, Dev team, and mods. For those few jackasses who just can't refrain, the mods delete their posts.
In exchange, the Dev team (with new found motivation) will work harder and bring content changes on a more regular bases.

Now before some JACKASS comes on here and says, "what guarantee do we have the devs will do it" . You don't. There is no Guarantee. There was no warranty when you purchased this mod....... But what some members of the community are doing now is not working, so let's try something different. What have you got to loose.

For those of you just tuning in and do not understand what a Jackass post is.

I think the general idea of the OP was that the vitriolic tone coming from some people was unnecessary and is demoralizing for the dev team. An idea that I agree with. He's not saying don't criticize. He's saying people shouldn't be jackasses while doing so.

For instance... there's a difference in "I'm not enjoying this aspect of the mod, perhaps it could be changed by such and such" and "omg wtf is this shit? What the fuck were the devs thinking when doing this? Fuck this".

[chefarzt]

Tank ffs. Take a break. Relax.jk
Your just fighting windmills atm.
I mean wtf u trying to do here? Re-educate the community? Good luck!

[tank130]

Tank ffs. Take a break. Relax.jk
Your just fighting windmills atm.
I mean wtf u trying to do here? Re-educate the community? Good luck!

This mod is too important to me to let a few jackasses ruin it. I will continue as long as dumb asses come on here thinking they still own the mod.

You chose to spend your time posting to me and wishing me luck. I would prefer you spend your time thanking the devs for all the work they did to give you a free game.

For those of you who feel I am on my high horse and I went about this all wrong. I tried another approach several months ago. Please look over the thread. After I posted this:

EiRRMod needs some love to get him motivated again.
Let's remind him how much we appreciate playing this FREE mod that he and a small group of helpers have put out for us.

I know I sure as the hell appreciate it.

Only two people posted a thanks.



For those of you who are bitching and complaining there is no development and the mod is stagnant. EiRRMoD posted a preliminary image of the warmap. It was explained it was very preliminary and needed lots of work.

This is an example of the type of response he got.

wtf is this. so confusing looks shit

If you were the creator of this mod, would you be motivated to continue this part of the project?

Just sayin"

[chefarzt]

On the rare occasions when eirrmod was on vent ,and me too,  i told him thats hes doing some damn good stuff. All i wanna say is that ur smokin urself up atm. Just calm down.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Only two people posted a thanks.

now you are just pissing me off.

I have played this Mod for 8 months now and i have allways tryed to be as nice as i can even though i dont from time to time but that dose not give you the reason to say that most of us dont apreseate What he has done here.

Just take into account all the people that dont give a shit about the forum and still havent posted a single post here for they dont want to escelate this shitty Argument both sides have been Having AND YOU DO NOT SAY THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO PLAY THIS FUCKING MOD DONT APRESEATE ATLEAST THE LEAST AMOUNT OF FUCKING WORK THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN IN FREE TIME AND WORK TIME SO NOW ALL OF YOU DICK HEADS AND MORONS SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LET THEM WORK IN PEACE.



IN short: dont say that most of us dont respect the people that have been working on this mod, sure there are a few and you should ban them but you cant say that most of us that play it dont like what he has done.

[nugnugx]

Only two people posted a thanks.

Many times , many people posted good things about the mod, be it in patch changes or they made separate threads specialy for this.

[tank130]

IN short: dont say that most of us dont respect the people that have been working on this mod, sure there are a few and you should ban them but you cant say that most of us that play it dont like what he has done.

You need to read my first post. I have said all along it is a minority of the community that is fucking it all up. I have said all along that these people need to have their posts deleted.

People have come on here and bitched that I am going about this all wrong with this thread. I posted another thread I started to prove that another approach had only 2 positive results.

In Short: I have tried the nice way and I have tried the more aggressive way. The more aggressive way has achieved much better results in getting feed back from the community.

So please read the posts before you rage post. I have never said most of the community, I have always said a few or minority.

[tank130]

Many times , many people posted good things about the mod, be it in patch changes or they made separate threads specialy for this.

You are right NUgNUg, many people have posted good stuff. But I think we all must see the light when it come to insults. I can tell you 5 times I think you are a great guy. But if I call you a stupid asshole a couple of times, that's gonna stick more.

[WildZontar]

To be honest, I don't ever remember insulting any of the Developers, but just the people on the balance team.

[PonySlaystation]

People got pissed off from the constant Wipes.

Then people got pissed off from the content never being fully finished and balanced before another wipe. (balancing a doctrine when only 3 doctrines are in the game just can't work)

People were not happy with grinding from lvl 0 all the way back to 9 for the 1 millionth time.

Grindless system is proposed, even though its not the solution to the issue, just ignoring that we just wanted the wipes to stop.

lvl 5 is set as the base start to lessen grind for now (people get happy).

Stop balancing and finish the doctrines, once there in then balance them.

I can agree with this, stop with all the wipes, keep the current system and don't do unnecessary balance changes. Implement the doctrines first, then focus on balance. And if something is broken, then thoroughly test it with different units and strategies and then come up with a reasonable decision. Not increase the price by 10 ammo, that's not gonna help. I mean you have to stop and ask yourself, why are people so mad? I don't think anyone asks for perfect balance but there are some pretty big flaws in how things are run. Most people are mad for a reason, some are just jerks. Now these people need to be discouraged and that's what admins are for.

So basically, if the devs were more organized, had a bigger crew, did things by the EIRBible and actually had rules instead of just guidelines, this mod can come a long way. Satch is right, you can't just expect trolls to go away by writing a few logical sentences, trolls feed on that, you need to go moderator on their asses!

[Sachaztan]

I can agree with this, stop with all the wipes, keep the current system and don't do unnecessary balance changes. Implement the doctrines first, then focus on balance. And if something is broken, then thoroughly test it with different units and strategies and then come up with a reasonable decision. Not increase the price by 10 ammo, that's not gonna help. I mean you have to stop and ask yourself, why are people so mad? I don't think anyone asks for perfect balance but there are some pretty big flaws in how things are run. Most people are mad for a reason, some are just jerks. Now these people need to be discouraged and that's what admins are for.

So basically, if the devs were more organized, had a bigger crew, did things by the EIRBible and actually had rules instead of just guidelines, this mod can come a long way. Satch is right, you can't just expect trolls to go away by writing a few logical sentences, trolls feed on that, you need to go moderator on their asses!

This

Also, wipes are done out of necessity due to mostly server issues and launcher upgrades. (unavoidable)

[tank130]

Satch is right, you can't just expect trolls to go away by writing a few logical sentences, trolls feed on that, you need to go moderator on their asses!

THIS

Here's what I think needs to happen to try and save this mod. Besides the obvious need for some thank yous and compliments, it's time to weed out the bullshit. I am talking about the members who continue to insult, troll, grief, and generally just piss off the rest of the community...........

I respectfully request the mods to start bringing the hammer down. For the sake of saving this mod, start being moderating assholes. Will we loose some people? damn right we will, and those will be the people we need to get rid of. Will people be pissed off? Damn right they will; but fuck em!! If they don't like it, they can go find some other free mod to bitch about.........

[PonySlaystation]

Yes, there is even evidence of this in this very thread. People who are not afraid to personally insult and attack other people and then they even go so far as to defend their "right" to insult other people and behave badly. They take this thread very personally because they fit the descriptions.

[Sachaztan]

THIS

You really should look over what you have written in this thread, and perhaps think about what you are writing before pressing the post button.

[Demon767]

Yup, just like you Tank i stuffed up my word, hey how about you CHECK the next page for my constructive critizm. OH thats right after that you said im a spoiled brat because i didnt go on my hands and knees and praise the shit out of it. i critique what i saw so some flaws that i saw can be seen by others. and in fact it was discussed in detail why some thing were they were which answered my question.

so yer tank, try again.

[TheWindCriesMary]

You really should look over what you have written in this thread, and perhaps think about what you are writing before pressing the post button.

+1

Tank meant well with this thread, of that I have no doubt. But there is no defending the position that people who are unhappy with certain choices should either shut up or ship out.

As someone (whose name eludes me at the moment) put it last month: there is such a thing as a bad volunteer.

Being a volunteer does not preclude you from being called out on doing your job carelessly or poorly, especially when you are occupying a position that someone else who isn't jaded could do.

Put a dedicated team willing to work around EiRmod (who already is) and there is no telling how unstoppable EiR could be.


Until then, I just won't accept the excuse that the reason we don't have a proper balance system is because 'the community is going to complain anyways, there is no point'.

I won't accept it, and neither will the community. We are going to keep saying how that is unacceptable regardless of whether or not some people think we should just stfu and not care about the mod.


-Wind