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[NightRain]

AB should be a little like LW, reduced timers faster capping, maybe even a T4 that removes the negative effects of fire up... but ab should not become like grens for axis being competent at both AT and AI.
 i don't think they need the lmg...maybe give that to the AB glidermen or bring back AB riflemen without Elite armour... AB should be your assualt force of aggresive manovers and hit and run tactics.
but it shoudn't be about all AB armies. they should be like stormies in not being a mainline infantry but good at what they do.

You do know that Storms = Grenadiers with 15+ more HP and cloak? Storms can easily take the spot as Mainline infantry. Your only problem is outration so you need to have your storms killing or forcing enemy to retreat more often than with grenadiers. 15+ kill storms already paid 'emselves back

[8thRifleRegiment]

airbourne are assault infantry, ghille suits is encouraging bad use of them since when they stand still its a sqaud of rifleman

[Tymathee]

That's why I don't get why they had BAR taken away and have that .30, they have to stop moving to use the .30.

Give the .30 to riflemen in infantry doctrine and give AB grease guns, drop the damage slightly and increase the on the move accuracy (or give doctrinal buffs to moving accuracy.)

I like that, or switch it with rangers, give rangers the 30 cal and airborne smgs infantry is quite good defensively anyway, a stand still weapon like that kinda makes sense. but greaseguns on ab isn't that bad of an idea, they did use them. I looked it up, they used quite a variety of weapons, at least the 101st did.

101st Airborne Division paratroopers carried numerous weapons to combat of which we carry the following:

M1911A1 .45ACP pistol
M1 Carbine
M1A1 Carbine
M1 Rifle (Garand)
M1918 BAR
M3A1 Grease Gun
Thompson M1A1
MkII "Pineapple" hand grenade

http://www.wwiiguns.com/101_airborne/101_airborne.html

[Poppi]

AB should be a little like LW, reduced timers faster capping, maybe even a T4 that removes the negative effects of fire up... but ab should not become like grens for axis being competent at both AT and AI.
 i don't think they need the lmg...maybe give that to the AB glidermen or bring back AB riflemen without Elite armour... AB should be your assualt force of aggresive manovers and hit and run tactics.
but it shoudn't be about all AB armies. they should be like stormies in not being a mainline infantry but good at what they do.

I agree with the second part but not the first.
Drop a AB unit behind enemy lines and they are still toast with their lmg. That thing doesnt do crap unless your in a building. So they arent currently anti Inf, though their AT skills are bad ass. Maybe grens shouldnt be both really good at anti inf and anti armor. Im having issues with the proficiency and versatility of axis units. Heavy tanks or medium tanks that really do a great job doubling up as anti inf and anti armor. They can destroy my pershing or my vet 3 rangers.  Good-high armor, high splash, good accr against inf, and no problem destroying armor.

Im interested to see what the AB completed doctrine will look like as my experience with Inf Doc is a failure. Once i try overlord and if i dont like it im done with inf. US inf are too weak and Bars get no respect anymore.

Axis army is full of magical toys so insta predator cloak field is approvable. Plus your MG costs 20 munitions, what did you expect? MG42?

Still it was a distance under 5m. And gone. No matter how u try to twist it with the cost, it was a mg firing in their face and then they went invisible and walked away. Cloak needs to be nerfed.

[smurfORnot]

dude,do you know what you are talking.
sherman will beat P4 with no problem,pershing with HVAP just kicks panther and Tiger. and greens as AT,yea you dont see all that much schrecks with a reason,they aint that good.

[Hicks58]

Pershing without HVAP isn't that impressive against heavy armour, though it makes a very nice mess of infantry.

BAR's are VERY good - Try using them in pairs and watch the ensuring rape. As long as there isn't a 2 -1 advantage of numbers in their favour, you'll mince pretty much whatever mainline infantry they dare to throw at you.

I have an Inf account and tbh, it relies on good team mates to fill in certain gaps. If you have those team mates though, you'll find the support that you lend to the battle is invaluable. Zooks keep LV's in check and deter any tank from getting too close as rear armour zooks HURT. Artillery keeps paks and HMG's in check and a lot of BAR's will help in keeping enemy infantry in check. If your allies can focus on the heavier armour up front and keeping the snipers at bay... Well, you've got something good going.

Btw, while the Sherman beats a PIV every time, it does leave the Sherman in a bit of a state, which is easy pickings for a second piece of AT.

[8thRifleRegiment]

tym... have you ever seen airbourne with smgs.... fucking terrible idea.

[RikiRude]

We need AB rifles back and they just need the sticky taken away. But the .30 is too cool to toss out!


Either way I have about 125 PP saved up for my AB profile once things get kick started again with them!

[Poppi]

We need AB rifles back and they just need the sticky taken away. But the .30 is too cool to toss out!


Either way I have about 125 PP saved up for my AB profile once things get kick started again with them!

ya when will that day come?

[AmPM]

I like that, or switch it with rangers, give rangers the 30 cal and airborne smgs infantry is quite good defensively anyway, a stand still weapon like that kinda makes sense. but greaseguns on ab isn't that bad of an idea, they did use them. I looked it up, they used quite a variety of weapons, at least the 101st did.

http://www.wwiiguns.com/101_airborne/101_airborne.html

Indeed, then again, so did every unit in the war.

[Tymathee]

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[Demon767]

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+1

[RikiRude]

Just curious if anyone uses ghilli suits? How are they?

The concept seems silly, since AB NEED to be on the move to be worth while.

[EliteGren]

They don't need to move when they are invisible.

[Sachaztan]

I love the way snipers are able to move camouflaged over asphalt.

Do they wear active camouflage? Or do they just keep a handy asphalt camouflage set in their backpack (which in turn is camouflaged to look like a part of the soldier)?

[Poppi]

Finally played with a player who used AB medic. Pretty cool unit.
Can a regular med station heal a medic?

[Mysthalin]

I liked Ghillie Suit Airborne. Work amazing at being lulzy by delivering RRs to the face of a vehicle that tries to flank a 57mm.

[TheVolskinator]

Inf doc doesnt need the AB LMG. The M1919A16a (lighter version with pistol grip and buttstock for 'lmg' type support which = the AB LMG) still weighed 38 pounds (43 in the A4 config, and 73+ for the HMG-type M1917a1 seen in-game. By comparison, the MG34 weighed 17 pounds and the MG42 weighed 26--only 6 more pounds then the BAR ). They were employed on a company level; 5 .30 cals of whatever type was on hand per ~200 man company. They would NOT be totting them around like frigging john basilone from 'The Pacific'. Plus the M1919A16a sucks serious ass atm, it needs a buff of some sorts to be superior to the BAR in the dmg output role.

[Mysthalin]

Inf doc doesnt need the AB LMG. The M1919A16a (lighter version with pistol grip and buttstock for 'lmg' type support which = the AB LMG) still weighed 38 pounds (43 in the A4 config, and 73+ for the HMG-type M1917a1 seen in-game. By comparison, the MG34 weighed 17 pounds and the MG42 weighed 26--only 6 more pounds then the BAR ). They were employed on a company level; 5 .30 cals of whatever type was on hand per ~200 man company. They would NOT be totting them around like frigging john basilone from 'The Pacific'. Plus the M1919A16a sucks serious ass atm, it needs a buff of some sorts to be superior to the BAR in the dmg output role.

tl;dr + nobody cares about realism.

[RikiRude]

Finally played with a player who used AB medic. Pretty cool unit.
Can a regular med station heal a medic?

i use two myself. and two ab snipers. much fun. and us and brit medic stations should heal it, im pretty sure ive done it.