Armour HVAP rounds Bug + Tooltip improvement

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[DarkSoldierX]

You are a retard nug.

In every single instance of a modifier buff in EiRR +x% means 1.x modifier to a stat (hence, in this case the +25% buff means 0.4*1.25=0.5). It is how it has always been, and you're just making a fuss over nothing.

+0.x buffs do exist (look at RCA top T4) - and they're described differently.

If nug looked at APCR penetration for IST he would think that, because IST actualy gains +.35 not +35%.(not like it matters, in game terms thats like that, +5% chance of penetrating M10 rear?) There could be other weapons that are improperly buffed like this too.

[nugnugx]

What Dark said,   the same can be said about t17 as also about ist that the 0.25 does not matter.

Stop insulting people Mysthalin when you are not even right. It's a wonder you are not the one with ban when you insult someone with your every third post.

[Mysthalin]

If nug looked at APCR penetration for IST he would think that, because IST actualy gains +.35 not +35%.(not like it matters, in game terms thats like that, +5% chance of penetrating M10 rear?) There could be other weapons that are improperly buffed like this too.

Uhh, no?

For L :

1.027174/0.76087 = 1.35

1.027174-0.76087 = 0.266304

Which, coincidentally is = 0.76087 * 0.35

Same analysis can be done for medium range penetration.

Please at least do the maths before you call me out on them.

And Nug - I am right. Get your facts straight before you argue, then I won't call you out for being silly.

[Tymathee]

the hvap buff is +10% buff. When you see something like that it means that it's a multiplier ala

100x15%

there are buffs that exist that give +.10 it seems the same but it's totally different as explained, i made a whole thread about it.

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=19418.0

interesting though. hvap doesn't get damage bonus vs panther just penetration.

lol 10% buff vs panzer iv, stug, ostwind

+25% vs tigers with over a 50% buff in pen (.5 to 1.093)

so it does seem it is stacking. the +10% buff that hvap gives all tanks + the extra 15% vs heavy tanks, except you dont get it against panthers.

hmm...it seems that it is kinda adding. normal persh dmg vs jagds is 1.1 and with hvap it 1.35 a +.25 instead of +25 which would make it 1.375

[TheIcelandicManiac]

I cant belive you guys are arguing about the math for how to figure out how much a unit can penitrait another unit, Why the fuck dont you guys just get Unkown to get shit straight?

[Tymathee]

I cant belive you guys are arguing about the math for how to figure out how much a unit can penitrait another unit, Why the fuck dont you guys just get Unkown to get shit straight?

well if u reread my edits you'd see i rechecked rgds and things are screwy with hvap

[Mysthalin]

Icelandic, two things :

1. That's not what the argument is about.
2. Unknown has nothing to do with RGDs or statistics in development. Asking him on how the things are calculated is the same as asking EiRRMod why duckordie hasn't gotten any new maps out in the past week.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Ok go ask leo then,
Duckordie?

Wait what the fuck dose unk0wn then do?

[Tymathee]

ok same thing. it's doin +.10 rather than +10% :sigh: looking at the m10 the havp gives 1.13 vs stug and normal is 1.03 and it really should be 1.133.

vs panzer iv norm is 1.25 and hvap gives 1.35, like persh should be 1.375

dont know if it really matters.

Oh, and why does upgunned sherman give a 20% buff vs all tanks rather than the 10%?

[Unkn0wn]

2. Unknown has nothing to do with RGDs or statistics in development. Asking him on how the things are calculated is the same as asking EiRRMod why duckordie hasn't gotten any new maps out in the past week.

Actually, I do basic RGD shit now too . But yeah, don't hassle me about statistics or math. Besides, rgds are something anyone can look into, the information is right there for you guys to read and interpret.

[Mysthalin]

Ok go ask leo then,
Duckordie?

Wait what the fuck dose unk0wn then do?

Why should I ask anyone if I'm perfectly capable of interpreting it myself?

Duckordie is a community member and mapper that's kind of been gone in the sidelines for ages now.

And unkn0wn just sits about in his non-existant country eating imaginary waffles. Being imaginary himself, of course.

[Mister Schmidt]

Basic RGD work is pipsqueak, I'd hazard a guess at even nugnug being able to give it a go. DON'T let him though. Please.

[DarkSoldierX]

Oh, and why does upgunned sherman give a 20% buff vs all tanks rather than the 10%?

Cuz website draft say so.

[Tymathee]

Cuz website draft say so.

Hmm...doesn't say it in the launcher

[DarkSoldierX]

Hmm...doesn't say it in the launcher

Read first post for christ sake

[Tymathee]

Read first post for christ sake

wheres the website spreadsheet? and if it gets 10% on top of 10% it should be 1.21 dmg rather than 1.2...but thats just being picky as the diff is 105 vs 105.875